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<0> hi all
<0> having some issues with GAIM, MSN works fine on it but ICQ has realtrouble connecting
<0> it does after many attempts
<0> but often disconnects really quick
<0> i have saved the debugfile if anyone is able to help, much apprecviared
<0> sppreciated
<1> what version of gaim, what platform, etc. etc. would be useful
<0> soz, of course, gentoo amd64
<0> and gaim version 1.5.0
<1> and can you nopaste the debug log?
<1> garimbo.org/nopaste/ would be great
<0> sure
<2> ForlornPenguin pasted "Here's the fifth remote crash" (105 lines) at http://garimbo.org/nopaste/668
<1> ForlornPenguin: cn you do an 'up 5' and 'print name' for me?
<2> khronus pasted "ICQ connection probs" (69 lines) at http://garimbo.org/nopaste/669
<3> That gdb session has been dead for a bit now, I only just got around to pasting it. :(
<0> there you go, many thanks
<3> I have ethereal packets though, I can (hopefully) find the one that caused it
<4> ForlornPenguin: do you use aim chats?
<3> LSchiere2, no, but it being caused by aim chat.
<1> khronus__: looks like a server-side buddy list problem ... which is a known problem area
<1> I don't know that that particular bug is known
<0> how do you mean ?
<1> khronus__: can you file a bug in the sourceforge bug trackers, and include that debug log?
<3> Specifically, Briantumor's friend has a package of Gaim-crashing exploits that he was using on me.
<0> sure
<0> will do now
<1> ForlornPenguin: can you just get the exploit code from him?
<1> that would make testing much easier
<3> Paco-Paco, I wish
<1> or does he think he's l33t
<3> I have a few of his remote crashes fixed, but I basically threw a crapload of checks into the code to try and make it happen
<3> He realized I wasn't crashing anymore and stopped trying before I got a chance to document them all. :(
<1> so he does think he's l33t
<1> and he's not willing to actually cooperate
<4> lovely
<5> ethereal detects the incoming packets as malformed. may be oscar-prpl shouldn't act on the malformed packets
<3> Apparently he *buys* the crash exploits, which is retarded.
<1> sadrul: it shouldn't, but there's always a question of what to *do* with them
<1> haha
<1> well, every con needs a mark
<1> looks like that one has found him
<6> heh
<3> Yeah. According to him, he pays $30/exploit. Which adds up REALLY fast.
<3> Oh, and one of his exploits is more of a pseudo exploit I'd like to stomp but don't know how...
<1> hah, wow
<3> Can we set a maximum size on chat request windows, please?
<1> nice
<1> is he sending a ton of <br>s or something?
<3> He sends a really wide string (wider than my monitor) and a ton of utf-8 000A symbols (basically br) and it fills my entire screen with a white chat-request window
<3> Which is *really* annoying
<1> that should probably just be put in a scrolled window
<4> or cut off
<3> I vote cut off
<4> there's no need to try to display more than a paragraph's worth of text
<3> It's okay that it resizes, just keep the thing from being ridiculous
<1> I hope that he paid $30 for that
<5> may be the WM should do something about insane-sized windows ;)
<3> Actually, I talked to the fluxbox people about that yesterday and they're going to. :p
<7> haha really?
<3> Yeah
<7> seems kinda dirty to hardcode in a exception for a specific app into your WM
<3> They're not going to make an exception for Gai
<3> *Gaim
<7> oh ok; thats much better :-)
<3> They're changing the window-spawning code to make the window not spawn with part of it off the top of the screen, so you can still see the control widgets and do stuff
<1> so, they're fixing a bug
<7> exactly :-)
<1> flux has a lot of those
<3> Yeah. You could move it out of the way by holding alt and click-dragging it, but yeah. Basically, they're switching to a much better way of doing it.
<3> Flux does, but it's simple and light. I realize that FVWM might meet my needs better - except for one need.
<3> The need for sane defaults so I don't need to copy and install my own config on every PC I meet
<1> why is that difficult?
<1> surely you copy over a ton of other config files, anyway
<3> Well, if it's my own PC, sure, but not if I'm on someone else's.
<1> for me, a machine isn't usable without jed and xemacs configs, fvwm config, .Xresources, bashrc and bash_profile, etc. etc.
<1> if you're on someone else's PC, they probably don't have fvwm or flux either one
<3> Most of the people I know w/Linux do have Flux, even if they don't use it.
<7> i don't pity wm devs; for fun i wrote a really really really stupid "wm" in high school and Xlib programming is no fun...
<1> hampering your every day work becuase you *might* have to use someone else's PC is clearly suboptimal
<3> That's the same reason I use qwerty, though. Dvorak is much lazier.
<1> yeah, xlib is no fun and window managers are even less fun, both because ICCCM is kind of complicated and because so many programs are so broken
<7> yeah
<1> qwerty vs. dvorak is a little bit of a different story
<1> for one, you can't as easily adapt temporarily to a different keyboard layout
<7> my wm could open gcalc; that was it; not even xterm worked...
<7> is it just a philosophical thing ForlornPenguin? you don't use it not because its actually hard to copy stuff over, just kinda silly that you pretty much have to?
<1> at any rate, if the many brokennesses and deficiencies of fluxbox don't bother you, by all means continue using it
<1> I mean, LSchiere2 uses *window maker* for crying out loud
<1> and we let him live
<4> I've not used windowmaker since I asked you for your fvwm config files
<7> hey now; i ran window maker for a while; i dug it
<1> LSchiere2: oh really?
<1> you're using fvwm now?
<4> I had to change a fair amount of your configs, but yes
<1> nice
<1> if you have any particularly clever changes, I'd love to see them
<4> still, your configs made a VERY nice starting point
<4> no, none of my changes were clever
<1> I'm sure you turned on that abominable click-to-focus etc.
<4> I did things like turn off focus follows mouse, I got rid of one of the two screens since I only have one monitor, I messed with the background, I got rid of the osd clock, things like that
<4> I'm surprised you didn't know I was using fvwm though, since I asked you about handling urgent
<1> I remember that, now
<1> which, by the way, hopefully soon there will be a better way to handle that
<4> cool
<1> it'll solve the lost keystrokes and pointer glitches while the flashing is going on
<1> which I didn't notice where I wrote taht config, because it was on a fast machine ... but it's a little irritating on my slower home desktop, where the amount of time it takes to toggle the flash is measurable ;-)
<7> you know what feels good? afking from work for a few hours, coming back and doing 'svn up' and no one else has done any work either :-D
<4> does the new version of the autogen/configure output provide any clues?
<1> ecoffey: they're all getting ready to commit huge changes ;-)
<7> Paco-Paco: hehe yeah, i have a todo list to take care of, but i don't feel bad slacking 'cause no one else is working
<7> Paco-Paco: we mash 'svn commit' like we get paid for each log entry...
<3> ecoffey, who does?
<7> ForlornPenguin: the small company i work for
<3> ecoffey, oh. I commit when I feel like it. No more, no less. :p
<7> ForlornPenguin: i'm just horribly forgetful...so i do it a lot
<7> ForlornPenguin: it makes me sad though; they're a web dev shop so i've been waist deep in php, sql, and javascript for a few months so going back and looking at my mono-loader is a culture shock
<3> I don't know anything about mono
<7> surprisingly enough neither do i
<7> but i know how to grep -ir their source and bug them in irc
<4> filling in the value of GSMFMT in the po/Makefile works, but I'd rather not have to do that by hand
<8> hi there.. i am hitting problems when compiling gaim from SVN in connection with dbus 0.62.. the response i get is "g_log: file dbus-server.c: line 116 (gaim_dbus_pointer_to_id): should not be reached" would be nice to get a solution fo rthis.. dbus 0.9x is a nogo temporarely due to the remaining parts of gnome not throughly supporting it.
<9> The solution is not to use SVN or to submit a patch solving the problem
<8> usually i advise people to do the same. though i am working on an upgrade of CVSGnome (quite a popular build infrastructure for gnome) and thus rely on this version. a patch is a nogo atm since i am not familar with dbus api nor do i know how gaim interacts with it.
<9> Given that Gaim has nothing to do with Gnome, why are you using Gaim from SVN?
<9> (You could just .. disable dbus support)
<8> yes.. that would be a temporarely solution. but still it would be nice to have a proper working dbus implementation. or dont you agree ?
<9> I'm sure the devs would welcome your patch!
<1> you rely on svn gaim to use CVSGnome?
<1> I'm so confused
<1> seriously, though, we do *not* support SVN, you may submit patches against it, but not bug reports
<1> particularly if you can't figure out that that error is only a warning, and you've foolishly set compile-time flags you should not have
<1> or you think that's actually a dbus problem
<8> resiak: before submitting any patches it would be interesting to investigate where the problem is.. is it related to gaim, may it be related to dbus.. thats why i ask here.
<10> does gaim die while starting?
<8> Paco-Paco: well actually i didnt set any compile time flags at all
<1> Err: no, he compiled with --enable-debug
<10> oh, ha
<8> no i used gaim -d to figure out that problem..
<1> oh, so it's not actually exhibiting any incorrect behavior?
<1> because that's not really a problem
<8> well without -d it usually spits out "Aborted"
<1> ... so you *did* compile with --enable-debug
<10> have you ever run gaim as root?
<1> oGALAXYo: at any rate, either find and fix the problem, or don't use svn
<8> Paco-Paco: actually i didnt compile it with --enable-debug, if so then it must have been a default configure value..
<1> then dbus is most likely *completely* unrelated
<1> if that statement isn't what is causing the abort
<1> so, really, either find and fix the problem, or don't use svn
<10> Paco-Paco: the other day someone was in here with the same symptoms, and dbus was truly aborting - the user's dbus socket (or whatever it uses to communicate with the daemon) had incorrect permissions, and gaim would die every time
<10> dbus, being the pile of crap that it is, would kill gaim when it couldn't connect
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