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<0> malverian: no, nothing exists already
<1> Paco-Paco: you really don't care for wingaim? I mean.. we use it at my office for internal jabber communication.. never had a problem with it. Why so harsh?
<2> Windows users tend not to read, or listen to directions.
<3> or think
<1> but that is a representation of the users...not the platform or software...correct? so wingaim is just to segregate the elite?
<4> the platform is inferior as well
<2> We don't like wingaim because we don't care about Windows, and the people that we have to deal with because wingaim exists.
<3> no - wingaim is sufficiently different than gaim that people here don't know the answers to the qusetions
<3> questions even
<3> for instance, moronic questions like "I can't get a windows program that is totally unrelated to gaim to work - help me KTHX!!"
<0> profet: wingaim has a whole host of problems specific to wingaim, about which those of us who use real platforms know nothing
<0> profet: so asking about wingaim in here is basically just a waste of time for the person asking, as well as those of us who have to read it
<1> i'm sure you get the same "I can't stop my buddy list from appearing as the same size as my message window." questions from unix platforms with shoddy window managers
<0> I've never heard that one
<0> so apparently no Unix window manager is as pathetic as windows
<2> I've never heard that one at all, Windows or not.
<1> everyone has their opinion I guess...
<3> that wouldn't really be an opinion, would it?
<0> it's more of a fact
<0> but people who are wrong often want to believe that the opposition's facts are opinions
<3> "IMHO"
<1> eh... I don't dissagree with not liking windows.. I dislike it as well.. but many people are forced to use it... which is why I find the casting off of windows users slightly amusing
<0> no one is "forced" to use Windows
<0> some people are too pathetic to get out of it
<1> yeah? tell my manager and his bosses that.
<0> oh, they can't get a better job?
<0> it doesn't even take a *better* job to get away from Windows -- I've never seen a McDonald's teller have to use a Windows box
<5> are you sure their registers don't run Windows?
<2> Even ***uming someone was forced to use it, they aren't forced to be stupid.
<0> "but boo-de-hoo-hoo I'm unqualified to get a good job and I'm too 'proud' to work fast food"
<2> And it is the stupid that's bothersome.
<1> heh
<0> datallah: they may, but I doubt it -- they're not GUI, at least around here
<0> I think McDonald's understands that semi-fixed-function registers save operating expense even if they're more expensive to buy
<5> hmm... the one closest to my work has these new touchscreen things
<1> even the atms around here run windows
<0> profet: yeah, and you know that because they *** up, right?
<0> the *new* ATMs around here run windows, and the crash all the damn time
<0> the old ATMs with the character cell displays, not unsurprisingly, function without flaw
<3> and run OS/2
<2> I love seeing Norton/McAffee scanning windows when I scroll past the local access channels.
<0> heh probably
<4> the bank i work at installed two new atms last september. we've had more trouble with them (windows based) than we ever had with our previous generation OS/2 based ATMs
<3> All NCR ATMs until a year or two ago ran OS/2 - and all ATMs are NCR, essentially
<3> one of the guys I work with did the board layout for the first national-network ATM
<4> gee, you mean NCR actually manufactures ATMs? that would be a first
<3> NCR makes almost *all* ATMs
<4> almost all their other non-POS equipment is rebadged
<1> ok..again not disagreeing with you... but at my place of employment... all employees are required to run certain OS's and applications... including windows, eclipse, jboss, office.. granted most of those applications could be run on most any platform... but if the choice is run windows or go somewhere else and make less money? i'm running windows
<3> they build them out of regular PCs these days, but they used to do everything - dedicated hardware, software, etc
<0> they have this fancy-schmancy windows ATM with a fingerprint scanner on it at my credit union
<0> it ****s
<0> profet: so you're saying you're weak and/or stupid ... that's fine, but we're not, so we don't put up with Windows or Windows users
<0> at least, I don't
<0> it is less egregious for someone whose job doesn't actually have anythign to do with computers to use Windows
<1> yes..me weak you strong like bull... smart like owl... I bow before your infinite wisdom
<0> you should not bow before my wisdom, but because I am generally better than you
<0> wisdom is such a narrow topic
<1> right
<3> if it makes you feel any better, you're probably less sasquatch-ish than he, profet
<0> testosterone is the mark of a real man
<0> Err is just jealous because he sold out to windows
<1> and is that a bad thing? i'd rather sell out... use windows at work...then be living the life of a pauper
<1> and os x at home of course... (yes I did go there)
<4> OSX is another can of worms entirely
<3> I prefer the term "adapted well" to "sold out"
<0> if the only way you can not "live the life of a pauper" is using Windows, you live a pathetic existence indeed
<4> i tolerate windows at work simply because i have an idiot for a boss who won't allow any workstation to run anything but windows xp
<1> or one firmly entrenched in reality rather than cs politics
<0> I continue to maintain that if "reality" dictates that the choices are "Windows" and "pauper", you have a pathetically narrow skill band
<3> I would agree with that
<0> there are dozens or hundreds of even *semi*-skilled jobs out there that do not involve Windows and keep one out of the poor house
<0> so for one to be either "Windows" or "pauper" they must be, say, a functioning autistic who can interact with teh world only through poorly designed interfaces on unstable platforms
<1> I guess you haven't seen home prices on long island... try carrying a mortgage at less than 90k/year... and then be discriminate about the OS you use...see how far that gets you. There are many higher things on my priority list when seeking employment than OS on workstation.
<3> long island is, of course, the only place where homes exist on earth
<0> it must also **** to be so replaceable that if you say "I won't do this if I have to use Windows", they reply "OK, we'll get someone else"
<0> I guess, being as much better than everyone else as I am, I've never considered that position
<0> mediocrity would be trying
<6> Err: It's true
<7> seanega1!!
<7> seanega1: the libxml crash is no longer amd64 specific
<6> LSchiere3!
<6> LSchiere3: I've reproduced it myself.
<7> mmm. why am I lschiere3.
<0> I've seen it here, too
<0> I didn't know we thought it was specific to anything
<3> seanega1: so now that you work at google, are you in a cardboard box too? I'm getting pretty tired of the lack of waterproof housing here in Cinci...
<6> Err: Oh, I didn't mean it that way.
<6> Sure, I have a place where I can live... with a bed and furniture...
<6> but is it really a home?
<6> I don't think so. No.
<6> There's no love.
<8> resiak: I believe the number is 2. :)
<9> Hmm, I thought more than one person had been duct taped to a chair by Meebo
<8> seanega1 at google, KingAnt at Meebo. I guess I'm not aware of any others.
<6> resiak: What do you mean "soley because of their work on Gaim"?
<5> hehe, I was waiting for that
<10> seanega1: ie: it wasn't for your good looks
<9> seanega1: I know you're not working at Google just on Gaim, and the same with KingAnt at Meebo
<9> but it seems like your employment at Google can't be unconnected to GTalk, and clearly Meebo want Gaim devs.
<9> So by "soley" I mean "not soley" ;)
<11> so this is most like going to get me kicked or flamed, BUT, under the C Plugin HOWTO in http://gaim.sourceforge.net/api/ the source code doesn't show up in the doc, I've tried it on two major browsers... am I being totally stupid?
<10> aeberbac: you get an error?
<2> You don't see the hello world plugin in the box there?
<3> I see it not loading, here
<11> hyphenated: no error
<3> (but I think SF is F'd)
<10> it loaded really slowly for me
<11> deryni: I don't see the plugin in the box
<11> the description text around it is there, but in the grey boxes which I ***ume are code blocks, there's nothing there
<3> what two crappy browsers did you try?
<10> looks fine for me in firefox
<2> It's working just fine for me.
<11> firefox and ie
<3> firefox works just fine here
<11> and you see code in the C Plugin HOWTO?
<10> that's what we're looking at.
<3> Yes
<3> The "Hello World!" example, even
<11> *anger*
<10> 'course, we're not using windows, so we don't get to enjoy some weird rendering bugs like you
<11> hahah
<3> preach it
<11> amen
<11> the guy beside me is running ubuntu, let's see what he sees
<3> punch him and steal his computer
<0> and take your own pathetic *** to #wingaim
<11> you guys are hilarious
<11> I come in here not bashing gaim, or c, or unix or anything else
<11> but yet I'm told off
<2> Only Paco-Paco "told you off" and he's just an angry person.
<2> And there are loads more reasons to get told off than the three you listed.
<11> I'm just saying, for me it doesn't really matter, I laugh it off
<11> but at the same time, I'd imagine some people come in here really wanting to help out with gaim
<10> how's it looking on the ubuntu?
<10> aeberbac: heh, that happens surprisingly infrequently
<2> I don't believe I have ever seen someone come in here wanting and able to help gaim that started with a Windows question.
<3> even less frequently with windows users
<0> aeberbac: and if they're using Windows, they really should have gone to #wingaim to get their help
<0> yeah, all the people who get yelled at because they're worthless say "but what if I wanted to help out!"
<0> if they were competent to help out, doubtless they would not have required yelling at
<11> ouch
<11> look at it another way
<11> I'm sure you're a competent person
<11> but someone coming in who isn't compentent (in your mind) could learn from you
<10> aeberbac: he's always like that. to everyone except himself and possibly his fiance ;-)
<11> and it renders fine in ubuntu
<0> I don't have time to educate those who are beneath me
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