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<0> romulo: What exactly is Gaim doing wrong now?
<1> rlaager: is irchelper ABI version 2.0.x?
<2> romulo: I don't know
<2> romulo: We really need a new privacy API
<2> romulo: ICQ supports the same message blocking that AIM does, we just don't have a UI for it
<2> romulo: Adding a plugin specifically to work around that is a bad idea
<3> rlaager, well in older(im using 2.x svn) gaim version i used to see when i block someone on icq it doesnt stop the messages to come
<3> they still arrive
<3> even if they are blocking
<2> Anyway, we should support some kind of client-side message blocking, but it should be in the core and not a plugin
<2> And that requires a new privacy API
<3> uhm
<3> there are documents already for that?
<3> plans or something?
<2> No
<3> hmm
<3> what should be on a new privacy api?
<3> something like options to set client or server blocking and so on?
<3> excuse my english =/
<4> a new privacy api should take into account that many protocols support per-buddy privacy options like yahoo's stealth mode that aren't exactly blocking
<4> in my opinion, anyway
<3> uhm
<4> note that my comment is only an example of things a new privacy api should take into account
<3> hmm i see
<3> makes sense for me
<3> if we can take that discussion further i would like to help in it
<3> i have some times in my hand now wich im using to submit patches and develop stuff
<3> anyway i would like to do this later, i have to sleep now
<2> Currently Gaim uses the same allow list, block list and the privacy drop down box for all protocols
<3> yeah i saw that
<2> Not all protocols have a concept of changing your privacy setting
<2> And I think some protocols only have 2 privacy lists
<3> my plans if implementing something is make gui designed specifically for each protocol/account
<2> And ICQ has three lists: visible, invisible and block
<3> yeah, the best to do now i gather informations about what protocols support and implement it all
<2> The UI would have to be generic, and each protocol would tell the core what privacy features it wants
<3> what u mean by generic
<3> the same for all?
<3> like the default one but with customized options?
<2> You can't just write a bunch of GUI code for each protocol
<2> You could probably do it similarly to the new status code, but much simpler
<0> KingAnt: Your first set of errors are because your distro ships an aim: handler schema already. I'm not sure there's anything we can do about that. Your second set are because installing system-wide schemas require root privileges.
<2> And gathering information about what each protocol supports is a good first step
<3> yeh thats what i tough
<3> so i can concentrate on what i need
<3> hmm i tough about another thing too
<3> a cache for icons received on msn, the custom smileys
<3> they are so popular in Brazil that people send almost all characters of the message composed of them
<3> wich is irritating
<3> and gaim loads the icon every time it appear..so a cache would be ideal in this case
<1> rlaager: thanks for your help, worked great
<0> KingAnt: Any thoughts on how to better handle that?
<2> rlaager: No, I'm not really familiar with gconf
<2> rlaager: But we probably shouldn't try to install system-wide schemas if we're not root
<3> anyway im off, good night guys
<3> cya o/
<2> rlaager: Does gconf allow for per-user schemas?
<0> KingAnt: If you set the following environment variable, does it work? GCONF_SCHEMA_CONFIG_SOURCE="xml:readwrite:$HOME/.gconf"
<0> KingAnt: That'll need to be set before ./configure, I'm sure.
<2> No, that doesn't seem to help
<2> rlaager: The gconf stuff breaks make dist, too
<0> KingAnt: shoot
<2> make[3]: Entering directory `/home/mark/rpmbuild/BUILD/gaim-2.0.0dev/libgaim/gconf'
<2> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `gaim.schemas', needed by `all-am'. Stop.
<0> KingAnt: presumably that needs to be in EXTRA_DIST or something?
<2> That seems right
<0> I hate programming.
<2> Ha ha
<5> KingAnt pasted "These messages are in my /var/log/messages" (6 lines) at http://garimbo.org/nopaste/763
<0> KingAnt: What does this return? gconftool-2 --get-default-source
<2> xml:merged:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults
<6> there's a plugin example in the src plugins folder called simple.c ...how can i compile this? running make skips it apparently
<2> Maybe "make simple.so"
<6> oh hehe
<6> so how can i compile my own plugin?
<6> just put it there..and type make myplugin.so?
<4> so long as it's a C plugin
<6> cool ..thanks :P
<2> Is recent SVN Gaim sporadically deadlocking for anyone? Possibly when playing a sound? Maybe something thread related?
<0> KingAnt: That *might* have happened to me once tonight.
<0> KingAnt: Are you sure your RPM schema stuff is correct? When I installed gaim.schema to /etc/gconf/schemas on my system, it didn't work, but the gconftool-2 thing that it's doing did work...
<2> Nope
<2> When I make install in my local home directory it puts it in ~/gaim-head/etc/gconf/schemas/gaim.schemas
<2> So the rpms puts it in %{_sysconfdir}/gconf/schemas/gaim.schemas
<2> Here's a backtrace from when Gaim was deadlocked: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eIDYPA97.nln.html
<0> KingAnt: Regarding not installing the schema unless we're root... I dislike doing things like that in general. If the warnings bother you when installing as non-root, I'd say you should do ./configure --disable-schemas-install
<0> We could disable that by default, but that'd take away useful functionality from people who compile from source. They'd have no idea they needed to enable it.
<2> rlaager: I have a lot of other schemas in /etc/gconf/schemas/
<0> KingAnt: "Conventionally, schema files are also placed in /etc/gconf/schemas/; this is primarily for the convenience of system administrators, who can use these files to initialize a newly-created configuration source. If the schema files weren't installed, then creating a new configuration source would require reinstalling all applications."
<0> I'll update the .spec file to also call gconftool-2 to actually install it.
<2> Oh I see what you mean now
<0> KingAnt: okay, untested, but I think that'll work
<0> KingAnt: Which package contains gconftool-2? I suppose we'll need a dependency.
<2> rlaager: GConf2
<0> KingAnt: with the caps like that?
<2> Yep
<0> KingAnt: Thanks. Hopefully my changes to the .spec file work.
<2> Hmm, haven't we been avoiding adding gconf as a dependency?
<0> KingAnt: Well, it's not a dependency if you compile from source. Perhaps we should just check for gconftool-2 in the %post and only use it if found?
<2> Eh, let's just leave it for now
<2> And see if people complain
<0> KingAnt: heh, I just made that change
<2> Heh heh, or change it
<2> It doesn't really matter
<0> I'm sure people will complain, and there's not any harm this way. People aren't going to be depsolving in GConf2 either way. That'd only be the case for the distro-provided Gaim RPM, and they can make their own decision.
<0> It wouldn't surprise me if there were some more small kinks with the URL stuff, but the bulk of it should be good now.
<2> Cool
<2> The RPM build successfully with revision 17248
<2> I'm going to go not be in front of a computer for a little while
<2> Adios!
<0> KingAnt: Thanks for testing. I'm going to get to sleep!
<7> Hi guys! did someone notice a different gaim's behavior whether the remote client is an old MSN client or a new Live MSN one???
<7> I notice a lot of switchboard and timeout errors just with people using Live MSN
<8> what is our gconf schema for?
<9> Hi there i just checked out the beta 3.1 source. I use cygwin as described in the "reicpe" on the homepage. When i try to compile i get some errors in the dnssrv module. Can any1 tell me why?
<8> #wingaim
<9> ok
<10> what means "this is a PG channel?
<10> .."
<10> sorry
<11> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_guidance
<10> Good morning
<10> thanks resiak
<10> rating system hu
<10> okey. I wanted to ask something like this:
<10> IS there a way to set Strict Privacy settings
<10> because when i close gaim, and run it again the privacy is set to default
<10> when status changes it happens too.
<10> if anyone knows please, i'll be glad to know how.
<12> hello, are any MSN users here having problems connecting?
<10> di, read the topic:)
<12> i am using Gaim 1.5.1cvs, but this probrary affects gaim's very usage
<12> if we cant login, we cant use gaim, no matter what version, and this problem is new
<10> it says: "... || When MSN is broken, ***ume it is a server problem"
<10> i don't know particularly, anyway.
<12> thats my concern
<12> hopefully the protocol is unchanged, but a web-based messenger works OK
<13> "hopefully the protocol is unchanged," -- never be sure of that.
<14> di: there haven't been many people complaining of service outages lately, so it's probably a temporary issue - MSN has a lot of those, which is why the topic has that note :-)
<13> they like randomly changing stuff in it.
<10> the msn was initially started as xIRC project
<10> which was wonderful idea
<10> bot turned into MSN
<10> and every pretty thing got lost
<10> s/bot/but/
<12> hmm.. thanks, i hope its ok 2ml, lol
<10> :)
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