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<0> mm for the upcoming version of the MSN protocol, it would be nice to get back options to see conversation closing (even if they are actually time out) and multiple offline notifications even when the person is offline
<1> Why's that?
<0> I like to see as much informations as possible without having to keep the debug log open
<2> you're a stalker, you mean
<0> well, I must admit those are for debugging but they were there before
<3> they aren't reliable from what I heard
<0> closing window notifications were in fact because msn/live messenger closes the connection after a minute exactly
<0> instead of letting it time out after 5-7 minutes
<2> the *server* closes the connection - so it's always a crapshoot
<0> for Gaim-Gaim conversations it still waits for a timeout on the server side
<3> TiCPU: so let me get this right
<2> in any case, it's a dumb feature
<3> you want a buggy feature to be readded
<3> because it works only between gaim and gaim
<4> hi
<2> It encourages anti-social behavior, and from *numerous* discussions in here it's pretty clear that it won't be added back.
<3> and with ANY other msn client it doesn't work right
<0> it was optionnal before, but anyway, if the debug log wouldn't be that slow after a day it would help :-/
<1> Not trying to stalk would also help :)
<0> oh right, if you think of it that way, that amkes me remember when people were asking stuff as "how do I know if someone blocked me" and crap like that
<1> Correct
<0> would have been for my stats and icon album hehe
<2> right - your stalking database
<2> you say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to
<4> how do I know if someone blocked me?
<0> lol
<0> kristz: is that a joke about what I said or were you really asking that?
<4> and i wanna stalk
<0> oh right
<0> I still like playing with data, double offline notifications would have been useful for 'last seen', well I might modify my own version for that, so it shows last seen and last seen online
<4> actually i was about to ask how can i see someones availibility without noticing him but i got scared :)
<0> mostly impossible anyway, except on the MSN protocol which we all love for leaking all kind of data
<5> The_Tick: whaddup?
<6> TiCPU: what is double offline notifications?
<3> seanegan: can you join #adium for a sec?
<0> sadrul: when someone set appear offline on connection, it appears as another FLN notification in the debug log, even if the person never signed on with a real NLN
<6> TiCPU: ew
<0> so when you get an FLN, while the person is offline, the person actually connected but as appearing offline
<0> just hidden, and the second offline notification means the person signed off
<0> would be nice for the new offline messaging to know when a person appears offline :)
<4> how can it be done in MSN protocol?
<2> TiCPU: way to go, encouraging stupidity
<7> even though the protocol is stupid, it doesn't mean we should make it easier to spy on people
<0> right, could be used badly
<4> how nice
<8> You call it spying, I call it homeland security.
<3> in which case you'd run with the debug log all the time anyhow
<3> since you'd be required to log as much information as possible
<0> I like my 2002 old 102mb logs
<2> no, you wouldn't, because 99999999/10000000 people don't know that it has anything of interest in it
<0> from plain text to html
<3> Err: but it's homeland securities job to know these things!
<7> no, it really is of no interest to DHS that i'm actually lurking offline
<0> if that person has you on its AL list, I don't know why that person would care that I know it appears hidden
<0> just like ICQ anyway
<2> ...and if they were, they'd ask MSN and not add you to their buddy lists
<2> I don't know why you would care that he/she was hidden either, though
<0> always depends who anyway, but it does not seem like a subject everyone will have the same opinion on
<2> that's a pretty creepy thing to do
<2> no, I think it's a subject that almost everyone (read: everyone who is socially adjusted) agrees on
<0> with MSNP13, it happens to be useful as you can talk to people appearing as hidden
<2> so you send a message, even if you think the other person's not on, and if they're hidden but don't mind you knowing they respond
<0> mmm thinking about it, that completely breaks the usefulness of being hidden... damn msn protocl
<2> as a physical analogy, a person who parks in a garage can make it difficult for one to determine whether he's home or not, by closing the garage door - just because you *could* set up a telescope and watch when he leaves/returns to see if he's home doesn't make it acceptable or reasonable
<6> TiCPU: if someone's actually offline, and you send her a message, will she get that message when she logs in (like it happens in yahoo)?
<0> yes, with MSNP13 that is
<9> what do you say, if i found a bug in the OSCAR implementation in gaim? :)
<6> we say "do you have a patch for it?"
<2> I would say "fix it and submit a patch" or "report it and someone else will fix it"
<9> not really...
<0> Err: right, never though of it that was, it's just that I like playing with data and the debug log contains lots of informations such as people getting my display picture, multiple offline notification, conversation timing out, etc.
<2> yes, too few people consider others' privacy
<9> ok... i'll report somehow
<6> Sahel: you can report in the bug-tracker in sourceforge
<2> Sahel: you can submit a bug in the bug tracker on sourceforge - but if it's a security issue, you should probably contact a few developers directly
<2> they can then disseminate the work as needed
<10> Hey gaimians.
<9> sure... will do Err
<9> its just a wrong value of a byte in the msg package
<10> http://www.j5live.com/?p=246 Recent versions of GNOME-VFS changed and broke gaim when it attempts to use a file dialog. Fix is described here.
<7> warren: ahh... I've seen a crash that was probably caused by that
<7> it seems that we shouldn't have to do that
<10> read the last comment
<0> always good to get other people opinion before doing something anyway, just didn't think about privacy like you said, just sounded like normal informations which didn't get used
<7> warren: so... since we don't directly use gnome-vfs we have to do it manually?
<7> that seems ridiculous
<10> it does seem stupid yes
<10> datallah, does it really hurt for the dbus plugin to run dbus_g_threads_init() though?
<7> probably not (i really don't know), but if I'm understanding this correctly, any app that uses the file chooser and dbus is going to have to do that in case someone is using gnome
<11> does anyone know when the next beta may be released?
<6> not really
<11> oh :/
<6> there are still a couple of bugs that need to be fixed
<11> where can i find information about those things?
<6> http://faceprint.com/gaimwiki/index.cgi?ShowStopperBugs and the other pages there
<11> oo
<11> sadrul: thanks
<6> you're welcome
<12> I'm trying to message someone who is online & gaim says that they are not on server list. Why is this? How can I fix it?
<13> without insighting m*** panic... did anyone else get booted from aim?
<14> Hello. Anyone having problems signing on to AIM?
<13> stevenm: i was just able to reconnect...
<15> I just connected a second ago
<14> I use AIM and Gaim 2.0.0 beta 3. I have two screen names. My old one (from AOL) and my usual one that I use normally. I am online at work (with usual SN) no problem
<14> I come home, plug in laptop, and get error when connecting with gaim- Authentication Failed.
<13> stevenm: as Chani and myself implied, try now
<14> No luck. AOL screen name works, but the AIM one does not
<15> o.0
<14> I am able to use the screen name and p***word to log into aim.com without any problems. But unable to sign on with gaim.
<13> stevenm: i had the exact same error, just give the servers time to sort themselves out
<14> It was working fine with this computer about two hours ago. No software changes were done shatsoever
<14> grim, aah, server issue? alright
<13> stevenm: if nothing changed on your end, and it's happening to other people...
<14> grim, ah ok
<14> I see a bug in beta3- maybe fixed in CVS? I hit Available in the status box. Get a message 'Authentication Failed'. After closing that message, status box now says Available even though I am not connected. Proper behavior would be to revert it to Offline?
<13> no that's global status..
<14> grim, no other accounts are enabled though
<13> preferably it'd just put the button back after you click on it and close the window, but i don't know if anyone ever implemented that
<13> stevenm: then yes it _should_ goto offline
<16> Is it possible to share my gaim profile on Windows and Linux if my Windows is on a fat32 partition?
<0> harisund: last time I tried it worked, just be sure encoding is the same on both, if english, don't care about that last part
<0> just make a backup to be sure
<0> then symlinking your Windows profile in ~/.gaim should work
<17> when gaim 2.0 will release?
<0> when it does
<16> TiCPU: Thanks for that most encouraging note :) .. Yes, I do make rsync regularly ..
<16> ok thanks .. I am going to give it a try .. no harm done, eh?
<0> as long as you've got a copy of .gaim, everything's alright hehe
<16> hopefully :)
<17> TiCPU: there is a plan?
<0> oh yea, and also be sure both gaim are the same version or at least same major.minor
<0> vdepizzol: like most open source project, no, it happens when it does
<17> TiCPU: ok, thanks :P
<6> ma yuan is not here, is he?
<18> fds
<19> what is going on with gaim? its been months since beta 3
<20> jah_raztah: the code became self-aware at 3 am EST on june 6th, the developers have been hard at work convincing it to be just an im client
<19> lol
<21> you guys RULE!
<22> bend over bense
<21> cool
<23> hey, this is not the room but, how can i google for documentation on coding a system tray icon for some app ? :-S
<23> or, is it related to the WM, X11 or what ? can anyone orient me ?
<24> So what's the gaim philosophy on unit testing? (if there is one)
<25> I have a question about gaim-vv and gaim
<25> i just compiled gaim-vv....but didn't realize till after that it doesn't do video in msn
<25> then i read the website and a year ago it said there would be no more releases of gaim-vv because it was going to get put into gaim
<25> but the gaim website says webcam stuff is a low priority and there are no plans in the future to support it...and directs you to gaim-vv
<25> can somebody help me clear this up?
<25> what's troubling me more right now is that i can't find any options in my newly compiled gaim-vv to share video on aim......
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