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<0> why is that? <1> because the system tray standard doesn't allow for transparency <2> Someone came in here claiming that they had a workaround the other week.. <0> which standard are you talking about <0> windows? <1> the standard from the free desktop people <0> ohhh <1> why would I be talking about windows in #gaim? <0> no i taught since windows doesn't have transparent panels <0> by default <2> Why is that relevant? <1> I wouldn't know <1> I do know, however, that the freedesktop.org folks wrote a standard for system trays that doesn't allow for transparency <1> or, at least, not functional transparency <0> ohh yes the icon changed according to status <0> that's the reason for non transparency?
<0> according to free desktop <3> you can see if patch #1516013 in the trackers works <3> (that's why i asked whether you compile from source) <0> ohh <0> i can apply that patch if i complie from source <3> charkins has made a positive review of the patch. so i am inclined to think it might work (for many/most people) <0> ok well i will look into it and also see if i can push the agenda on transparency in system tray to the freedesktop people <0> thanks for the help, bye <1> haha <1> push the agenda, indeed <4> I guess that's more productive than complaining at Gaim <4> At least, it ought to be. <5> sadrul: i just took a second look at what you said earlier <5> (14:45:18) sadrul: if you want the email to show up in the tab-header, you'll need to setup an alias <5> thanks# <3> Dr4g: :) <5> hehe <6> hi all <7> Bleeter: What the F is this about Howard agreeing to step down from PM in favor of Costello in some informal agreement and now people wanting to call him on it? Wouldn't the parliament choose the succeeding PM? Did some sort of conspiracy theory mistakenly hit Google News? <8> deryni: i found the font name: trebuchet, and only in gtk has it one o point, in opennoffice.org e.g. its a normal <7> sounds like the font is probably messed up <7> it works fine here, actually <7> well, I'm not sure -- what character do you *want* <7> you keep sending some kind of ISO-latin garbage I can't see <7> do you want o-dot or o-diaresis or o-umlaut or what? <4> I think he wants o-umlaut. <7> my trebuchet actually has but not / <7> the latter is substituted from some other font and doesn't match <8> Paco-Paco: o Umlaut <8> ForlornPenguin: yes <7> well, my Trebuchet MS has it and it works properly in Gtk+ <8> Paco-Paco: mine ahs it too but only in gtk it shows on dot above the o <8> in openoffice e.g. 2 <7> I'm telling you it works fine in my Gtk+ <7> I didn't try openoffice, this is #gaim <8> Paco-Paco: i menat the program and im writing in konversation not with gaim in irc, <7> I don't understand what you mean <7> but I am saying that a) Trebuchet MS has o-umlaut on my system, and b) it works fine in Gtk+ programs <8> Paco-Paco: the font seems only corrupted in gtk in other applications it works fine! <8> Paco-Paco: Im saying that a) Trebuchet MS has o-umlaut on my system, and b) it makes crap in gtk+ prgrams <7> yes, so from this we can conclude that it's a problem local to your system <7> either in your fontconfig configuration, or your version of pango/freetype/something, or your copy of Trebuchet MS, or ... <8> Paco-Paco: fontconfig configuration? <9> Hello, I have found a reproducible bug in Gaim, and I've submitted a bug report (with detailed backtrace with dbg symbols). Just wanted to notify this here in case someone is interested and would like to try to reproduce the bug to see if it's related to my installation or not. See http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1519591&group_id=235&atid=100235 <7> The_ManU: I'm not sure how to answer a noun with a question mark after it ... if you're asking what fontconfig configuration is, fontconfig is a library that the various rendering softwares use to find fonts and load aliases and alternate glyphs <7> uski: that's a known bug <9> Paco-Paco, really ? I did not find it ! <7> it may not be in the tracker <7> but we know about it <9> Ok, so now it's on the tracker ;) <7> and searching the tracker ****s, so it may be there and you just didn't find it <9> yea <7> I'm not sure if it's fixed in 2.0.0b3 or in SVN <7> someone who uses msn might be able to tell you <7> nosnilmot was trolling the encarta buddy the other day, so it apparently at least works for him <9> well I can try if I find how to download the code from SVN <9> well I regularly play with this bot too and today when i tried... kaboom <10> I can talk to encarta bot. gaim 2 b3 <8> Paco-Paco: intersting with 13pt+ its shown correctly <2> Paco-Paco: Did he put his troll log up somewhere? That sounds amusing <7> The_ManU: is it possible that it's rendering "correctly", but at small point sizes the two dots of the umlaut merge?
<4> The_ManU, I have random font issues when the fonts are small. I think it has something to do with anti-aliasing. <7> yes, you might try changing from autohinting to properly hinted fonts, or vice-versa <8> ForlornPenguin: deactivate it? <4> That or use larger fonts. I chose the latter. I like my eyesight. <7> are you asking him if you should deactivate it? <7> you can do so by adding :antialias=false to the font spec <3> resiak: http://garimbo.org/nopaste/645 <2> Haha <8> Paco-Paco: ForlornPenguin no antialising in kcontrol isnt the cause, but with 13pt* the second point is viewable <11> when i'm editing away messages, why doesn't control-B toggle BOLD anymore? <7> that would be easier to answer if you defined "any more" and told us where you're editing these away messages <11> hahah yeah that was pretty bad. using linux, 2.0.0beta3, kde, mandriva 2006... <11> so like if i'm editing my profile info, Control-B just moves the cursor to the previous line <11> and doens't make bold <11> is this possibly some GTK garbage? <7> does it move it to the previous line, or the previous character? <11> Paco-Paco: previous char now that i see <7> you have (rightly) put gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" in your .gtkrc <7> presumably because you understand that using ^b for bold is something only a fool would do, since ^b is previous character <11> hmmm yes... so what's the hotkey for bold <11> maybe i'll just comment out this emacs line since I don't know the emacs environment <7> I don't know, formatting in IMs is stupid <11> hahaha but i need BOLD to emphasize it man -- such as with my line "Is it college football season yet?!" <12> Anyone had problems with buddy icons not updating correctly? <13> Berto: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Emacs_Keybindings_(Firefox) <13> also applies to gaim, i suppose <11> thanks jnc -- however, emacs keybindings and i have decided that it's best if we part ways <7> that's unfortunate <7> as the other available Gtk+ keybindings are inconsistent and poorly thought out <2> IWW? <2> (Don't get me wrong, I use the emacs keybindings too, but that's mainly because I got sick of hitting ^W and closing the window in every Gtk+ application I use.) <7> what the F is with you and "IWW" <7> you need to cut that out <7> many common keybindings are not usefully represented in the baseline Gtk+ bindings set <7> such that you have to resort to arrow keys, "Home", "End", etc. <2> Fair enough. <7> some users aren't sophisticated enough to notice or require this, but this is a deficiency in the user <13> this is offtopic, the firefox shortcuts changed to match the ones they were using in windows ports <7> the Emacs keybindings were also lacking critical keys for a long time, but as of 2.6 or 2.8 they became pretty useful <13> it messed up the consistency for *nix users <13> now if i use Emacs keybindings, i lose shortcut access to functions in firefox <2> In What Way. <3> indistrial workers of the world? <3> oh <3> hehe, irish whip wrestling <7> ForlornPenguin: that's why resiak should be discouraged from creating random abbreviations <13> twrsbdfcra! <13> so yeah, if we could pick and choose which keybinding adheres to which theme, that would be neat <13> on a per application basis <12> Anyone had problems with buddy icons not updating correctly? <2> Paco-Paco: It's about the only acronym I've absorbed from $other_IRC_channel_where_ridiculous_acronyms_are_used. It could be worse. There's no obvious way that "<AB>" maps to "wrong window" in my mind. <7> damn foreigners <7> phlux: we saw you the first time <12> yeah well I know I'm not the only one. <7> phlux: if anyone has a problem, they'll let you know, you can ***ume a lack of response means "no" <12> Out of 140 others who use gaim, I'm surely not the only one with this problem, and I'd like some ***istance on correcting it. <7> phlux: but since that's probably not the question you *really* wanted to ask (who cares if other people have the problem?), if you want to actually provide enough information that someone can look into it, and ask for *taht*, feel free <12> Okay then. <12> I'm using FreeBSD 6.1, gaim 1.5.0, and my buddy icons for users in my buddy list do not update. Is there a known fix to this issue? <7> regardless, asking the same question over and over will do nothing but piss people off <7> what protocol? <12> AIM <2> Are you using MSN? I believe that was fixed recently. <7> does this affect all icons, or only some? <12> nah, can't stand MSN :\ <7> say, for some subset of users <12> Paco-Paco, all <12> My brother, for instance, informed me that he changed his icon to "Miami Heat" but I still have Green Day's lead singer showing <7> that does sound like a critical issue <7> what client is your brother using <12> We tried with both GAIM and AIM on his side
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