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<0> in the buddies menu
<1> Ahhh
<2> Buddys->Zeige Buddy-Details.
<1> Was searching in the settings dialog
<1> Wonderful!
<1> This is just great.
<1> That's as it should be as default.
<2> The big list is default, and many people like it.
<1> Hmmh.
<1> You should then add big blinkin popup ads
<3> the correlation is clear
<1> many people seem to like it, otherwise they wont use original ICQ, MSN and co
<1> :)
<3> the average IQ is 100
<2> Yes, people stay with the original clients because they like the ads.
<2> Not because they don't realize they can switch or anything.
<2> Or because non-official clients often don't have all the features.
<1> Thats exactly what I believe :)
<1> And I believe:
<0> err: out of?
<1> They stay with a big buddy list, because (like me) they like it, and not because they don't realize they can change it.
<3> LSchiere2: it's a gaussian distribution, so there is theoretically no limit
<2> Moltke: You said you like the small list, not the large one.
<2> And the small list used to be default.
<0> yes, but there must be a practial limit. for example, what would a "high" score be?
<3> (although that would imply that technically there could be people with a negative IQ...)
<2> So anyone who has been using gaim for a while knows the small list exists.
<3> oh, I think 120 is what mensa requires of their candidates
<1> etan: I was just using irony
<2> I know what you were trying to do, my point was that you didn't quite get the directions of the argument right (as I understood your sentence).
<1> However: No need for struggle, since I'm now happy with my buddy list :)
<4> andriusc pasted "For Luke -- my backtrace..." (70 lines) at http://garimbo.org/nopaste/1004
<5> hi
<5> in gaim-2.0-beta i miss the "the user has closed the conversation window".. how do i get it back?
<2> You don't.
<2> MSN broke it.
<5> a ****..
<5> what did they do?
<2> They made it indistinguishable from the normal switchboard closing messages.
<2> So it was accurate for exactly the first minute.
<5> i understand.. will it get back?
<0> not unless msn changes the protocol again
<5> ok
<2> Why do you care?
<5> it was a cut feature
<5> you could see if someone ignores you for the moment or not
<2> No, you could see that they closed the window.
<2> Why they did that you had no idea.
<2> I have known people who close windows after each IM message they send.
<2> For example.
<0> I have known people to request gaim make it easier to have meaningful logs with such a workflow
<5> i ignored "those" people ;)
<6> I was never fond of the idea that's been presented here where people used that feature to know if they should be mad at the person on the other end
<6> as if closing the IM window meant automatically that the person doesn't like you
<0> very childish
<2> Yes, that was/is the common MSN thought process.
<5> another question: how can i control the height of the 2 boxes in an input window? i change them and i can see that change in the prefs.xml, but when i open another conversation window, its again the old size
<6> I think the point of the feature might have been, "hey, the window's been closed, this user might have left or believes the conversation ended"
<6> you could probably draw the same conclusion if someone goes away or idle in the middle of a conversation :)
<2> _ke: If you resize it smaller than buddy icons it won't save. And currently resizing larger is broken.
<5> etan, its a bit larger than the icons..
<5> so i have to wait for the next version?
<2> I don't think a fix has been committed yet.
<5> etan, ok ;)
<7> would it be possible to disable the F2 shortcut for enabling/disabling timestamps in conversations? :) I doubt anyone switches this so often he/she needs a shortcut... on the other hand I do it accidentally every 10 minutes :)
<5> well anyway, i like gaim, good job guys
<2> Contour: Hover over the menu item and hit Backspace.
<7> etan, interesting... is that permanent?
<2> Yes, gaim saves it.
<7> cool... so it could hide the "F2" at it too :) well, that's just a detail
<2> Hm?
<7> well, it doesn't disable the timestamps now - that's what I wanted, sure :)
<7> though there is still "Show Timestamps F2" in the menu
<7> shouldn't the F2 dissappear?
<8> it will disappear of the unbinding worked
<8> s/of/if/
<7> heh, I see, it didn't work...
<2> It you hit backspace the F2 should disappear.
<2> If it didn't then go do the things I said.
<7> nothing happens
<2> Bah, I never sent the other message.
<2> Are you using Gnome?
<7> yep
<7> 2.16
<2> Then go find the Gnome option to let you change menu accelerators.
<2> I can never remember what it is called.
<7> I guess I know where it could be
<7> done, thanks
<2> Working?
<9> hi, my gaim is missimg lots of buddy icons (msn). i even tried to delete the ~/.gaim and reconfigure it, but no success
<9> there is something i can do?
<2> The buddy icons people set/
<2> ?
<0> deleting ~/.gaim/ was a big step backwards
<9> but some have been re-downloaded
<2> Eh, it probably cleaned out old icons, not that that mattered.
<9> in fact for someone i was seeing the same icon since months
<10> and his aliases, and his logs, and his saved away messages
<9> but with other clients the icon was another one
<8> spiorf: what version of gaim are you using?
<9> 2.0.0b6
<8> what version of gtk+?
<7> etan, yep, working
<2> Good.
<2> LSchiere: Yeah, but I ***umed he realized that and saved anything important.
<9> in fact i "moved away" my ~/.gaim
<8> spiorf: what version of gtk+?
<9> a moment
<9> 2.10.9
<8> hmm... ok. Saving buddy icons that are pngs wont work for anything older than 2.8, but this is apparently not the issue here
<7> :)... well, I once lost all the logs and stuff... along with other data from a lot of apps, when I did backup this way: cp ~/* /mnt/backup/
<7> ... just stupid me :)
<2> I think gaim has had some issues getting MSN buddy icons but I'm not sure why.
<9> i think that has something to do with the image format people use
<9> should i try with the svn?
<10> absolutely not. for one thing, if it would be different, etan would have had an idea why it isn't working
<9> i tried beta5, it's the same
<9> not that i really expected it to work..
<11> why try beta5, and not beta6?
<0> he started on beta6
<11> ahh
<11> now go set GS on fire for me
<12> the 2.0.0bX's have a problem on OSX which they crash when you highlight a URL
<12> is this bug known?
<0> no one really uses gaim on osx, most people just use adiumx
<12> i've used it for many many years
<12> i don't think it's really an OSX problem though...
<13> hello, are you the developers aware of the project gajim? it is really similar to gaim, and they don't say anything about it, it even has the same login and logout sounds. And has some improvements like a file transfer in jabber that works, or invisible mode for jabber protocol, that gaim hasn't working yet (in gajim is not working in my gmail account, but the others)
<12> LSchiere: FWIW, the error is coming from the html library. it causes a pango ***ert error of some kind
<13> ok, they talk about gaim, but in some way a rude manner http://trac.gajim.org/wiki/GajimFaq#is-there-any-relation-between-gajim-and-gaim
<10> single protocol clients nearly always do a better job at that one protocol
<13> ok, but is GPL, ideas could be taken from there
<14> wow ideas
<14> those are very valuable
<10> baco: that's easier said than done. you'd have to come to understand their source code, (which is no doubt organized differently, perhaps very differentl), understand how it differed from gaim's, and what changes would cause gaim to work the same way.
<10> when you add in language differences to that&
<15> baco: gaim has working file transfer over jabber (for some versions of file transfer).
<15> And jabber doesn't have woking invisible so gajim can't.
<13> deryni: with gaim I can send files, but not receive them
<15> When you can't receive them is the sender using gaim? Is the sender behind a NAT?
<15> The jabber ft that gaim supports is a fetch system, so the sender needs to be reachable by the receiver, as I recall.
<13> and I tried playing with my accounts of jabber setting the invisible status, and it was working (I didn't see myself from another account of jabber in gaim)
<15> baco: What server?
<13> jabber.org or jabber80.com
<15> You tried this on jabber.org recently?
<13> few hours ago
<13> deryni: ok, perhaps the other person was behind a NAT, but I can not change that
<15> I didn't say you could.
<13> many people is behind a NAT, how could I transfer files with them?
<15> You write a patch for gaim to support other file transfer methods over jabber.
<15> And it looks like gajim may in fact support the 'correct' way to do jabber invisibility.
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