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<0> webcvs.freedesktop.org no longer lists the cvs command to check out a repository
<0> which is highly confusing, especially since CVSROOT=':ext:bastian@cvs.freedesktop.org:/cvs/menus' cvs co menu-spec gives an error
<0> cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot make directory menu-spec: Permission denied
<1> isn't that an error that you can't create the directory on your end?
<0> surprisingly, yes :-)
<0> see... that's what I mean with confusing :-)
<0> anyway, it would still be nice if webcvs could tell the cvs -p line again
<0> remarkable.. FC5 seems to follow Ubuntu in breaking the menu-spec
<2> So, how does this work? Believe it or not, I've never used IRC before ...
<2> Probably no one else is logged in right now?
<3> there are 81 people in here, though not all of them are necessarily at the keyboard, or paying attention to irc
<2> Thanks, dobey. It's probably hard to believe that I am a developer but have never used IRC before, so I figured I better learn before the freedesktop IRC meeting tomorrow
<2> Well, might as well test some UTF-8 Unicode : `'}!
<2> Newbie question: Is there any way in IRC to see previous conversation prior to joining a channel?
<3> no
<2> What do people recommend for client software? I'm currently using xchat, but xchat will require work to compile on my opteron-64 at work. Kopete seems unwilling to establish a connection.
<3> what OS is on the x86_64?
<2> SuSE 10.0. Not sure why xchat isn't already there, probably I didn't install the rpm
<3> xchat is certainly available already built for suse
<3> so just install xchat
<2> Yep, I'm sure it is. I'm looking for the rpm now
<4> xchat's decent for gui, a lot of people use irssi in a screen session on a server so they can connect to it from multiple locations
<2> Great, thanks, I'll check it out
<5> Now I'm on from irssi ... just testing ... ignore me
<2> Now I can converse with myself ... pathetic, really
<5> Yes, very pathetic
<2> How are you Ed?
<5> Just fine, thanks!
<6> hola
<7> Font meeting 2006-07-14T20:00Z | Important wiki things: MigrationPlan, AccountRequests | see also #hal, #dbus, #xcb | 7.1 Loves You
<8> font meeting?
<9> not sure i'm the type of character who can face a font meeting
<8> someone will actualy make a way for general font settings for all programs and not seperatly gtk/kde/whatever?:)
<10> people will talka about general font ptoblems
<9> maybe they'll fix fc-cache
<10> see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2006-July/002340.html
<9> bring back xfs!
<10> short-term prospects are probably only get the right default fontconfig setup for all major FLOSS fonts
<8> there are way too many places where font configuration is defined
<10> but anyway you can see what people care about in the links given in the mail announce
<10> everyone interested can just participate in the meeting today at 20:00 GMT
<10> if you especially care about something you can prepare a wiki page somewhere exposing what you think are the worst problems now
<8> I did once, I started a wiki page about font/licenses
<8> trying to make ppl aware of the problem with GPL fonts
<8> it was in fd.o wiki I think called FreeFonts
<10> well if you think it still applies you can refresh it and answer the mail Simos sent with a mail pointing to it
<10> or wait 20:00 GMT and make your case in person
<8> naa, I'll leave it for behdad:)
<10> making behdad shoulder all the unpopular decisions is not nice
<10> :-P
<11> Wow. The int10 code is even more evil than the PCI code.
<12> Yup
<13> anyone here familiar with ColorSync?
<14> this is going to sound like a stupid question but how do i link to a static library and a shared library with gcc? i can't make it work
<2> Hey, I finally got connected! It turns out the University medical center network blocks IRC ports
<2> And once I found a network which wasn't blocked, I didn't have IRC software, so had to compile irssi first
<15> Hi Ed!
<16> hey
<16> just realised the uk is in british summertime not gmt :)
<17> heh :) the announcement has a URL that shows the local time. http://wiki.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fFonts_2fConfiguration
<16> yeah i saw while i was checking i remembered the channel right :)
<2> Hi, Simos! Hi, Dave! My GMT clock shows 19:04. I actually was beginning to think I would not get IRC access at all this afternoon
<16> hi ed :)
<3> heh
<2> Because the U Med Ctr blocks IRC, I've spent the last 40 minutes figuring out how to connect.
<2> Hi, Dobey
<17> it's a pity when Universities start blocking outgoing connections.
<3> hi
<17> hi dobey
<16> yeah sounds as bad as my high school was... rubbish :)
<2> It's strange. The Med Ctr which is Win-centric blocks 6667, but then when I connected to the main U's ITD UNIX / AFS network, there's no blockage
<2> So I guess the Unix admins are not worried about IRC security issues, but the Med Ctr is. Only problem was that I didn't have any IRC software in the ITD environment (or at least none I knew about)
<2> So now I have less time to ***emble my notes for this meeting, oh well ...
<17> there is a uni near my place that blocks all outgoing connections apart from 80/443, and also implements a strict web filtering.
<16> guess irc is worse for windows afters its use in botnets...
<16> brb
<2> OK, Dave's comment about botnets probably explains it. Strict web filtering in a University? That should be illegal.
<2> A few years ago I worked as a consultant hired by a large company in Detroit ... the company had net nanny style web filtering. Very annoying.
<2> However because the filtering was based on string matching of the web site name, just doing an NSLookup and typing in the IP address of a web site into the browser URL bar was sufficient to defeat the system.
<17> hi mathrick
<18> hey
<18> haha @ ssp's quit message
<17> edtrager: heh, that's easy.
<19> simosx: meeting in half an hour?
<19> will try to be back but will be late
<17> behdad: yep, in half an hour.
<2>
<2> To Simos: Yes, it was too easy. The incident proved in my own mind that the only effective "web filtering" system is human social engineering
<2> That is, put everyone in an office without walls where everyone can more or less see what everyone else is doing. The cubicle environment in that Detroit office was very poor for productivity
<17> edtrager: I sent an e-mail about the Font Playground (http://retina.ophthy.med.umich.edu/fontplayground/) to the GNOME and Fedora Localisation mailing lists. Hopefully there will be some input from there :)
<2> To Simos: Yes, thanks. There of course remain a number of bugs in fontplayground in its current alpha state ...
<2> To Simos: Priority action items for me are to (1) Fix handling of Devanagari and related Indic scripts -- for these scripts the entire first word needs to be set in enlarged type by default
<2> To Simos: (2) The second item is to add a button or link to download selected fonts.
<17> edtrager: do you plan to keep copies of the font files on unifont.org?
<20> hi simosx :)
<17> hey moyogo :)
<2> Simos: That would be the easiest way, but I was thinking of merely connecting users back to the original distribution points for the fonts.
<21> behdad: git://git.freedesktop.org/~keithp/cairo has my proposed patch on master
<22> oh, I forgot it says 8 GMT. (I am 70-80 miles from greenwich, but forgot it is summer time....)
<2> Simos: Currently there are too many fonts where the exact distribution policies are not clear. And I would be very hard-pressed to maintain the current versions of all the fonts. Better to have Font Playground give users a preview, even if an out of date version of a font, and have them then connect back to the originating distribution point to obtain the latest version of a font.
<20> edtrager: nice work on the font playground :)
<2> Hi, Moyogo, and thanks
<22> thought I might be an hour late - luckily it has started yet.
<17> Hin-Tak: there is a countdown url at the end of http://wiki.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fFonts_2fConfiguration :)
<22> I only just read my subscription e-mail 10 minutes ago on freetype which mentioned this .
<17> Hello everybody! The time is 20:00 GMT. Let the session start.
<17> The URL with the session details + agenda is http://wiki.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fFonts_2fConfiguration
<17> The first thing to chat is about font licenses.
<17> There are several font licenses, most notably
<17> 1. GNU GPL with Font exception
<23> Hi simosx
<17> 2. Vera-style, used for Bitstream vera, derivatives and a few independent fonts.
<23> hello everyone
<24> I have studied the available licenses and chosen OFL for my Inconsolata release.
<17> 3. The Open Font Licence, an initiative by SIL (http://scripts.sil.org/OFL)
<17> hi yosch
<24> The main reasoning behind my choice is that the SIL folks seem to have thought through the issues more thoroughly than anyone else.
<23> :-D
<10> hi yosh - simos, maybe we can take the time to present ouselves before starting?
<23> check out the FAQ for more details about the working model of the license http://scripts.sil.org/OFL-FAQ_web
<17> nim-nim: okay, that would be good. I just realised that yosch is Nicolas :)
<23> yep good point
<2> I certainly don't know many on this chat, but there are 5 main agenda items to cover in only one hour ...
<25> yep
<10> nim-nim is Nicolas Mailhot, Fedora extras DejaVu maintainer
<18> do we have Denis here?
<26>
<22> Simos: there are also a lot of variations of the same fonts (with extra cmap, glyph, etc) which people somewhat calously modify, without documenting, etc. The scandal with watanabe-* japanese fonts.
<25> scandal?
<25> maybe confusion...
<22> stolen copyright bitmaps from a commercial font for some glyphs, apparently.
<2> Hi, Yosch ... had no clue you were Nicolas
<25> AFAIK, bitmap fonts can't be copyrighted
<23> hi raph, hi nim-nim, hi edtrager :-D
<24> wl: that is a reasonable first approximation, almost certainly true in the US at least.
<22> bitmaps in a truetype font.
<20> Hin-Tak: yeah there are a lot of those, some fonts even use FLOSS glyphs without respecting the rights :-(
<25> hmmm
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