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<0> is there a way to accelerate render with gl?
<1> in theory, you could write a fake X RENDER implementation that does everything using GL
<1> but all the implementations just send the ops directly to the card without bothering with a GL intermediary
<2> oh, you mean like glitz
<1> glitz implements render?
<1> I thought it was just another 2d api
<2> it implements something very close to render
<2> they aren't named XRender* though
<0> raster graphics = 2d images?
<2> raster means defined in terms of pixels
<2> as opposed to vector, which are defined in terms of paths
<0> i see
<0> thx
<0> lol, hi raster
<3> :)
<0> can you do for example a driver for decoding video with xrender?
<3> driver?
<3> or userspace?
<3> (x client)
<3> what do u want?
<0> yeah, a output driver for mplayer for example, for decoding video with xrender, instead of xv, gl, etc
<3> thats not hard
<3> well ok
<2> that would be... a bit foolish
<3> um
<3> last i checked xv will not render to pixmaps
<3> thus wont work with xrender
<2> since most video codecs are going to give you yuv output, and Render doesn't have a yuv picture format yet
<3> so u cant get any hw accel for yuv->rgb
<3> so really
<3> u do the yuv to rgb in software
<3> then just xshmputimage the argb pixel data
<3> as u would upload any pixels to an xrender picture
<2> raster: actually, the xv api supports rendering to pixmaps now
<3> ajax: but not the drivers...
<2> right
<3> yup
<2> nv will soon, i suspect
<3> thats basically the last achiles heel of doing proper video thru xrender
<3> excellent!
<3> ajax: how goes it btw?
<2> raster: pretty well
<3> ajax: i cant make it to ddc this year.
<2> trying to finish some stuff up before ottawa. autoconfig is looking like it'll actually work in fedora 6
<3> that'll be good
<3> having to config up x is a bit of apita for noobs
<2> for everyone really
<3> well i dont mind
<2> dude, i do
<3> i've kind of had it burned into my skull
<2> every time i have to change video cards, i have to touch a config file?
<2> screw that
<3> ok
<2> that's like a daily thing for me
<3> u likely do it mroe
<3> i do it on fresh installs
<3> yeah
<3> i get your drift
<3> i'm keen to see pretty much everything that is in an x config move to dynamic config runtime
<2> well, and the other thing is, say you have a machine where downtime has a measurable dollar cost
<3> though thats a long long path
<3> sure
<3> but
<3> how many of those machines run an xserver?
<3> :)
<2> many.
<3> or where that cost is signfiicant
<2> any financial institution
<3> could have fooled me
<3> hmm
<3> which ones?
<3> i work and morgan stanley now
<3> and for the desktop its a windows house
<2> yes, you're one of our customers
<3> wtf?
<2> and we've failed at getting into your desktops _because_ the downtime cost is too high
<3> gettign a linxu desktop is like pulling hens teeth
<3> i've managed tho
<2> among other things
<3> well true
<3> downtime is a big cost
<3> but i walk around the trading floor
<3> the office
<3> its all windows
<3> with a good numebr of ppl using exceed to use x stuff
<3> btw
<3> do you know who you deal with?
<2> i don't know who the ms partner manager is, no. i could probably find out.
<3> just curious
<2> when i said "our" i meant in the broader corporate sense
<3> aah
<3> you dotn deal with that
<3> fair enough
<3> i wonder if i'm goign to lead a mini revolution
<3> all of a sudden i've got a dozen peolpe going "what - your'e raster? does that mean i can now use enlightenmenht?"
<3> and converts considering ditchign their windows desktops
<3> lets see
<3> either way - i get get to run e so i'm happy
<2> i have to believe we've got e packages at least in extras
<3> you do
<3> but thats fedora
<3> ms is an rhel/rhas house
<3> and conservative at that
<3> but nothing gcc and some source can't fix
<3> :)
<2> if you can move people to rhel5 it'll be really easy to do your own yum repos
<3> bwahahahaha
<2> i know, right
<3> 5?
<2> still on 2.1 probably
<3> man they are still mulling over 4
<2> freaks
<3> nah
<3> 2.x is mostly gone
<3> 3 is the flavor du jour
<2> 3 is a total pain in my side
<3> i imagine
<3> i was presented with it
<2> as a desktop it's embar***ing
<3> and went "you have THAT version? wtf?"
<3> oh
<3> it has some wonderful packaging mistakes
<3> libpng
<3> the default png.h headers are for png1.0 but the default libpng.so is for png1.2
<3> so u compile
<3> and then it wont work runtime
<3> and the bytecode interpreter is disabled in freetype
<3> fotns look like ****e without it
<2> that's unlikely to ever change
<3> (and the auto hinter imho doesnt do a great job)
<3> weird
<3> debian ships with it on
<2> debian does a lot of crap
<3> the arch-conservative of distros when it comes to that kind of stuff
<3> u can turn it off runtime
<3> (or on)
<2> fedora is even more hardcore about Free As In Freedom than debian
<3> really?
<3> hmm
<3> bizarre
<2> have to be
<2> red hat is suable
<3> thatgs true
<3> hard to sue some mish-mash of 1000 little peolpe aroudn thew world
<3> induviduals with no money worht suing for
<3> well at the end of the day - autoconf for x will be good
<3> i'd love to see it also handle autoconf for multihead/xinerama
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