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<ram_einstein> ... btw, why doesn't freenode #fedora allow you to IRC as root? I wanted to do that from rescue mode and wasn't able to 'cos I was apparently "banned" from the channel!
<ram_einstein> what's the harm in IRC'ing as root?
<AntonTakk> ram_einstein: eh, good way to lose root
<[bugi]> hi folks, did you also notice an anoying bug with trash in fc5 or should i report it to bugzilla?
<Harms> signature16: use this one, it should work: http://www.nvu.com/download/linux/1.0/nvu-1.0-RedHat_and_Fedora/nvu-1.0-1_nokde.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm
<Harms> rpm -Uvh it
<spot> 1. it shows all the malicious folks that you are almost certainly a new user
<ram_einstein> AntonTakk: what?
<signature16> Harms: oh thanks :0 didnt see any rpm there
<pusling> AntonTakk: everything ;) I have only once have an account on one fedora machin, but soon I am going to have root on several
<ram_einstein> spot: new user? I wanted to IRC from the rescue mode. I can't IRC as anything else. And why will a new user IRC as root?
<AntonTakk> pusling: ok, the big thing is yum-instead-of-apt
<spot> ram_einstein: because they don't know any better?
<[bugi]> trash in gnome (i didnt check kde) doesnt allow to empty it, "empty trash" is not highlighted even when some items are there
<pusling> AntonTakk: so man yum and man rpm will bring me up to date ?
<ram_einstein> spot: what's the harm?
<spot> ram_einstein: "Hey new user, you can solve that by running rm -rf / "
<AntonTakk> ram_einstein: cause new users tend not ro realize that that's like grabing a bright orange flag and running around at defcon yelling "HACK ME!"
<ram_einstein> spot: :)
<AntonTakk> pusling: on installing software, yeah
<pusling> but whatabout initscripts and stuff ?
<sneex> Hmmm, so, if I am root here and I use IRC then my system can be hacked?
<ram_einstein> AntonTakk: to hack him, you'd need his root p***word here anyway
<spot> sneex: if your irc client has a vulnerability, they get root if they hack it
<AntonTakk> pusling: like controling what runs when/etc?
<pusling> AntonTakk: yeah.
<Harms> also, the harm is that an irc client is a rather hairy parser that parses things that come off network, on an unsecured protocol, and so it is quite concievable that if a bug were present, it could compromise the whole system if the client is run as root
<AntonTakk> pusling: man service, man chkconfig
<ram_einstein> I think you ought to change that policy. Users from linux rescue need that too
<sneex> Hey! I was wondering why xchat bitched at me -- I better sign out LOL =) Bye
<ram_einstein> AndyCap: post success! that could mean overheating failure, right? what can I do to fix it? turn on the AC?
<spot> ram_einstein: as sneex has pointed out, there are ways around that. you can still irc as root, you just need to change what your ident comes in as.
<pusling> AntonTakk: and writing initscripts for fedora? does it take anything special ?
<Harms> basically, any crasher bug is likely to be exploitable, and if the app runs with root priveleges then the system is compromised
<spot> not that its ever a good idea, mind you.
<ram_einstein> spot: I see. How? I run irssi
<ram_einstein> spot: what do you run then?
<spot> i cross-bred a mule with a pcmcia ethernet adaptor.
<AntonTakk> pusling: not sure about comparitively, but you can get a pertty good idea from looking at the stuff in init.d if you have some decent bash scripting skill
<snk_kid> hi all
<spot> poor mule never saw it coming.
<AntonTakk> pusling: i'm going to guess the big diference will be using config valuse from /etc/sysconfig
<AntonTakk> values*
<spot> ram_einstein: i'm not going to advertise my client so people can start trying exploits against it
<wamty> where can i find Kernel source for FC5 "2.6.16-1.2080_FC5smp" ?
<Harms> you really are odd, spot
<ram_einstein> spot: you're always thinking of the next hack
<snk_kid> yestaday i installed the offical kernal updates and liva nvidia drivers, all is well but i've notice message saying GLX extension isn't supported or there is a problem loading it, is that something i should be concerned about?
<spot> wamty: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id3126937
<pusling> AntonTakk: okay. will try to look into that if I end up with not being able to avoid FC ;)
<spot> Harms: thank you. :)
<AntonTakk> pusling: it's not a bad distro, just has something of a short release cycle
<ram_einstein> "e1000 device eth1 does not seem to be present, delaying initialization." << When trying to activate eth1, my wireless ethernet card. I installed quite some time back and it worked fine until today
<pusling> AntonTakk: just too many people I respect deeply tells me that fedora is too experimental and too unstable for anything but toys.
<spot> ram_einstein: new kernel?
<ram_einstein> spot: no
<sneex> OK, safe now =)
<kwame> hey
<sneex> *maybe*
<ram_einstein> I'd have to build a new kernel module in that case
<sneex> lol
<spot> ram_einstein: look in dmesg, see if there is anything
<CrippsFX> top o' the mornin' to you all.
<sneex> this channel use definitions bots?
<ram_einstein> spot: nothing more relevant than that error, I'll paste it to you anyway.
<CrippsFX> I don't think we have any bots here.
<sneex> kk
<Eusa> Wireless ethernet, e1000 driver? you sure?
<AntonTakk> pusling: well, if it helps ease your nerves any my fc1-based nat router /never/ crashes
<snk_kid> ah okay i've just discovered the issue with GLX: http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=843
<killmuji> i heard that the nvidia drivers don't work w/ the kernel in fc5, has this been fixed?
<ram_einstein> spot: http://pastebin.com/632720
<ram_einstein> see if you find anything useful
<AntonTakk> killmuji: yeah, just get the newest kernel
<intelinsider> i would burn data from my hdd, but the system said http://pastebin.com/632721 can someone help me?
<killmuji> k
<AntonTakk> killmuji: and install the nvidia drivers from livna
<killmuji> would u recommend just doing and upgrade from fc4 or have to do a clean install
<intelinsider> or i would delete a cdrw :/
<AntonTakk> killmuji: people have done upgrades, but personally i'd recomment a clean install
<ram_einstein> intelinsider: you're writing a Hard disk with a SCSI driver
<killmuji> i really don't want to reconfigure all my stuff again
<ram_einstein> I don't know what you're trying to achieve
<AntonTakk> killmuji: "all your stuff" ?
<ram_einstein> intelinsider: wait
<killmuji> vpn connections, development env
<killmuji> oracle!
<killmuji> it was a pita
<ram_einstein> intelinsider: how did you install k3b? RPM?
<AntonTakk> then perhaps you shouldn't upgrade at all? cause upgrading isn't guaranteed to work
<CrippsFX> ram_einstein, through yum :)
<spot> ram_einstein: weird. dunno.
<ram_einstein> what will the result of 'grub-install /dev/hda1' be?
<intelinsider> ram_einstein, yes k3b, gnomebaker all tools announce error
<killmuji> AntonTakk: that suks
<AntonTakk> killmuji: that's the way it goes with production systems
<ram_einstein> spot: I thought so too. I would like to re-install it. How do I remove the mod?
<spot> from the system?
<spot> or just remove it from memory?
<ram_einstein> intelinsider: hmmm..."Cannot open SCSI driver." seems wierd
<ram_einstein> spot: from the kernel
<ram_einstein> I'll have to recompile right?
<ram_einstein> so I might as well just remove the load module reference
<intelinsider> ram_einstein, i dont have scsi hardware in my system
<spot> if its the e1000 driver, fedora has shipped with that for quite a while
<ram_einstein> spot: yeah. But I had to get the firmware off some other site
<intelinsider> ram_einstein, i removed my 2nd ide controller, without sucess
<jroysdon> Is lsusb still available? If so, what package has it? Also, since I don't have it installed, how could I determine this (without going to a system with it and doing a 'where lsusb' and then rpm -q --whatprovides /path/to/lsusb)?
<AutOPSY> intelinsider, make sure there isn't a CD in the drive mounted already.
<spot> wait wait... e1000 isn't your wireless network card
<AutOPSY> You can't burn a mounted media.
<ram_einstein> intelinsider: fdisk -l for me and paste the ouput to pastebin
<spot> e1000 is for a gigE physical intel nic
<spot> ram_einstein: centrino, right?
<ram_einstein> AutOPSY: GNOME usually takes care of that conflict. It uses automount or something
<CrippsFX> intelinsider, to use an atapi cd burner your system uses scsi emulation.
<ram_einstein> spot: yes
<AutOPSY> ram_einstein, Gnome is not cdrecord.
<spot> ram_einstein: ok, so the driver is either ipw2100 or ipw2200
<wamty> Yet another question :-) how do i disable "CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode" messages ? it on all my console windows.
<intelinsider> ram_einstein, http://pastebin.com/632726
<AndyCap> jroysdon: yum provides
<ram_einstein> spot: 2200 I think, I don't rember
<spot> ram_einstein: ok, what kernel are you using?
<AutOPSY> intelinsider, run: umount /dev/hdc
<ram_einstein> spot: 2.16
<AutOPSY> Then try K#B or cdrecord again.
<ram_einstein> !
<jroysdon> AndyCap - it will work w/o the full path (rpm requires the full path...)?
<wamty> any ideas?
<intelinsider> AutOPSY, umount: /dev/hdc: not mounted
<spot> ram_einstein: umm, tell me what uname -r says
<AndyCap> jroysdon: yes
<ram_einstein> 2.6.15-1.2054_FC5
<jroysdon> AndyCap- thanks, I'm using that now
<ram_einstein> spot: sorry about that
<ram_einstein> intelinsider: I don't see a /dev/hda1! Wierd
<spot> ram_einstein: ok, that FC5 kernel ships with ipw2200
<ram_einstein> and no /dev/hdc either
<AutOPSY> fdisk means fixed disk.
<spot> you shouldn't have to build the module from source for it
<AutOPSY> fdisk won't show CD devices.
<ram_einstein> spot: it does? so I didn't have to install firmware?
<spot> all you need to do is get the firmware
<intelinsider> ram_einstein, my system is on my sda my old windows files on the mountet ntfs... hda is not aktive atm
<ram_einstein> spot: ah yes, I did exactly that then
<Southern_Gentlem> ipw2200 firmware is at livna and it is needed
<spot> ram_einstein: did you put it in /lib/firmware ?
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