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<0> cool
<1> man has always the answer :P
<1> or info if you are kind of "new age" :D
<0> its set up default
<0> and im not sure if dhcp is on
<0> i reset it
<1> just for fun, did you tryed ?
<0> and when i plug into it
<0> nope
<0> not yet
<0> let me dl it
<0> i cant connect to the net
<2> hello
<1> hi
<3> hi
<3> I would like to install fedora core on my computer, but I don't want to download an entire cd/dvd. Is it possible to somehow acquire a netinstall image? I have been trying to find one and was unable to



<1> debian has a netinstall, but fedora dont
<4> http://fedorasolved.org/installation-solutions/fc-netinstall-ig/
<1> sorry :P
<5> Im upgrading fc3->fc4 but it complains about needing python-abi = 2.3, can anyone help?
<1> you are using yum ?
<5> yep
<4> nihm: do rpm -qa |grep -i python-abi
<4> what's the result?
<5> I think it's because I upgraded yum first, which needs packages which need python-abi = 2.3
<5> nothing
<1> be carefull not to mix repos
<3> thanks
<1> http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_4_installation_notes.html#Warning
<5> hm, i downgraded yum to fc3, see what happens
<3> I've never used anything but debian
<4> nihm: how are you doing the upgrade?
<5> as-per http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Upgrading_Red_Hat_Linux_with_yum.html
<6> which repo you guys think is best?
<4> yeah, that's what I thought
<5> hmm, I think it has gotten further than before
<4> tyy: what are you looking for?
<1> lyy in the page i pasted is a colecciont of repos
<5> hmm, all good
<5> thanks anyway
<4> nihm: just go through your system after the upgrade, make sure all the packages are correct. You might find some that are still for fc3
<4> nihm: do rpm -qa |grep -i fc3 afterwards
<5> I had to upgrade yum for a previous upgrade fc2->fc3, which was causing dependency hell going from fc3->fc4
<4> I did fc3-fc4 upgrade the same way and had lots of packages that weren't upgraded, ended up with duplicate packages of different versions
<1> there is a need of updating that way ? i always used "yum update" and get the lastes package
<5> Corwyn, is there an automated way of upgrading them? i have fc2 & fc3
<5> it did cause problems
<4> none that I know of, I had to manually remove and reinstall lots of packages when I was done
<5> hmm, its 9pm now, its a work server, not my prob ... :|
<4> best you can do is identify them and remove then reinstall them
<5> hmm
<5> cheers
<6> broli: cool. thanks, i don't use atrpms
<4> nihm: if it's a work server I'd definately take the time to clean it up, if you're doing the upgrade and anything goes wrong afterwards, you'll be held responsible
<5> I upgraded the kernel remotely, rebooted & then couldnt ssh in, got a bit sweaty palmed after that. I came in & lo&behold, the server is sitting there, running fine.. go figure
<1> he WILL be responsilbe :P
<6> Corwyn: not anything in particular at the moment. just wondering which was best
<5> hmm, it's only a dev&test server. It's kind of a favour for an old boss, so as long as the webserver works etc, then i will leave it be
<6> i hope windows stays ignorant of tools like yum
<4> lyy:best is a relative term though
<1> i had make stupid thing in production servers and its not funy :S
<4> why? windows could benefit from yum
<6> that's what i mean
<4> it's not yum that's the problem, it's the packagers who didn't properly notate in their packages that's the problem
<7> oh, no. Cause windows being better is a horrible thing.
<1> why ?
<6> JonathanD: exactly :D
<7> lyy: I disagree :P
<1> windows being better ist good
<5> god it would be nice to run a yum upgrade on a bunch of windows clients... this is never going to happen with all the proprietry software though
<4> yum does what it's supposed to do, it can only do that if the data it looks for in the packages is correct
<7> sure it is
<6> no, i personally like yum
<7> cause, the linux folks will always wanna 1 up... ok, more like 100 up, but hey... windows...
<7> so, the less behind windows gets, the more ahead linux gets ;)
<6> i just don't want to see copy cats trying to take yum and making it's own..like what m$ has been doing
<8> I still can't get NetworkManager to work right. There seems to be an issue with dbus. NetworkManager reports that there are no devices found, but networking works when manually configured. Gnome-Power-Manager isn't working either, I'm guessing the issues are related. What am I missing?



<1> linux and the GNU its not about destroyng enemies
<6> if you looked at vista, you'll see how the gui is moving in that direction
<4> let's not discuss windows and the company that pubishes it in here, it's not the place for it...please
<6> same thing with permissions
<6> ok
<4> :)
<1> just a reminer :P
<1> reminder*
<5> the only thin gI dont like about yum is the 20+ seconds it takes to read the package information, apt is a little quicker
<6> true
<1> true
<4> nihm: there is aptget for fedora, I believe
<1> bas mistake
<1> bad*
<9> nihm: yum has been speeding up in fc5
<5> apt also tends to handle upgrades better, coz it is the supported way. Am I right in thinking it is mobving towards yum though?
<6> there's a phone call that keeps going off in the kitchen..it's been ringing for like 30 minutes now off and on
<6> hehe hell if i'm going to answer it
<4> tyy: go answer it :)
<6> i have a cell phone
<4> maybe it's someone with a million dollars to give to the person who answers
<6> all phone calls to that number are for my roommates
<6> i'm no secretary
<4> lol
<4> turn off the ringer, that'll teach em
<1> fedora's rpm have special multilib suport, and apt just treat them as duplicated
<1> huge dependency problem after apt messing around :P
<6> you know what would be cool? if we held like LUG sessions in here on a special subject
<4> ack
<6> and we post it on a website so whoever is interested can come in and listen
<6> and interact
<5> i wouldnt use apt on fedora, everyone seems to say that is a bit of a no-no, less supported
<4> well, my biggest problem with yum is the packagers, not the program, if the packagers took the extra time to make sure everything was correct, yum would work every time
<4> most do, some don't, and that throws things off
<8> Corwyn: If you find errors in Fedora Core or Extras packages, do report them to bugzilla.redhat.com
<1> the people that make the packages didnt program yum :P
<4> Foolish: of course
<8> Corwyn: if there are errors in third party packages, report them there.
<10> Hi. how to uncomment one line in the makefile using bash script? is it possible without a diff file?
<4> hey foolish, pop down to unity, wanna put something past you for your opinion
<1> Belegdol: to coment a line use a # ...
<1> sorry
<1> erase the #
<10> i know
<10> but I'd ike to automate it
<10> an I'm asking is it possible to do without a diff
<1> i like perl for treating text files
<8> Belegdol: I would use gendiff to create a patch
<10> to be more specific: i need to change line 36 from # TARGET = mame to TARGET = mame
<10> That is a solution, but a diff for one line seems as using the mortar to kill the rabbit
<10> to bad I'm not familiar with vim, cat, and such...
<1> quiet a funy picture :P
<11> hi ..
<11> what are you all talking about
<1> about rabits killed by a mortar
<11> something linux related ?
<1> dif to change one line of a makefile
<1> (10:13:05) Belegdol: to be more specific: i need to change line 36 from # TARGET = mame to TARGET = mame
<10> tbh, I'd be more happy if a diff would not be necessary
<6> Belegdol: use sed
<6> Belegdol: you want to do it manually or automatically?
<10> automatically, in a bash script
<6> let me get this straight
<6> you have a makefile with something commented out..
<6> and then you want to run a script that will uncomment it
<10> exactly
<6> yeah you can use sed..but i don't know why you would want to do that
<1> stupid questio, its posible to write one single line into a text file ?
<6> why not just programmically take in parameters and create a condition to do something else, do something else
<6> Belegdol: is it your makefile or another program ?
<6> one where you wrote yourself that is
<10> xmame, another program. not generated by autotools
<1> add a line at the end with the option :P


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