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<0> somatt: yeah, just needed a second to read it
<1> sending
<0> thor233: NAT doesn't like dcc so well, can yo post online or e-mail?
<1> just a sec
<2> do you know any?
<3> lou_gr: there may be a direct way to do it, but here's n indirect method: print the HTML to post script and then use ps2pdf to convert the post script to pdf
<0> lou_gr: i suppose you could open the html page in open office and export it to pdf
<0> or that ^^
<0> (what flakrat_ said)
<1> http://home.no/filesrv/upload/screen.png
<1> there it is
<0> hrm
<0> does your monitor have an autoadjust feature?
<1> hm?
<1> dunno
<1> it's a laptop...



<0> oh
<0> ok
<0> what is the LCD's native resolutioin?
<1> 1024x768
<2> there are many pages...
<0> lou_gr: print them all to postscript like flakrat_ said, then come back and ask for help again
<2> anyway thanx
<4> Fedora Core 5 Test 3 is doing really well
<0> bullethead: yes, it is
<3> lou_gr: http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/
<5> AntonTakk: no its not
<4> I have everything working so far
<3> but this one costs $70
<6> anything new and exciting in the new version?
<4> throwing FLACs at Rhythmbox and even Oggs and everything works
<0> |Jef|: scuse me?
<5> AntonTakk: fc5t3 is not doing well
<0> |Jef|: by what standard?
<5> AntonTakk: by whose standard is it doing well?
<4> sorry, I am using it as a Desktop
<0> |Jef|: well, it seems to work well (in my testing)
<5> AntonTakk: if i told you the latest smp kernels didnt boot for a number of people...
<2> flakrat_ i got that :)
<5> AntonTakk: so you're system counts as an authority for a general statement?
<4> smp, hmm that's a Red Hat project
<0> |Jef|: i'd tell you that doesn't mean the whole release is bad
<5> AntonTakk: im telling you your experience doesnt make the whole process good
<7> i'm using yumex, and the key wasn't installed... it said it won't do it automatically if unattended, is that going to hurt my installation?
<5> AntonTakk: if you can say its going good... i can say its going bad...
<5> AntonTakk: and be as true
<4> Gentoo 2006.0 came out today, with a working installer
<0> indeed it doesnt, but all a person can ever truely judge something like this by is personal experience
<4> tried this after, and I like it
<5> AntonTakk: but you didnt claim personal experience
<5> AntonTakk: if you can say its going well... i can say its going poorly.. and be equally true
<5> AntonTakk: so why bother arguing with me
<4> haha
<0> |Jef|: wel, i ***umed that would taken as granted, since i can't draw on someone elses experiences
<0> |Jef|: cause you started the argument, and posited your opinion as solid fact
<4> thanks for all the hard work
<4> l8r
<5> AntonTakk: if you can say its going well.. i can say its going poorly
<0> |Jef|: yes, you can, but you started by refuting my statement as if yours was fact
<5> AntonTakk: mine is a fact
<6> who cares?
<5> AntonTakk: on systems where the kernel does not boot... performance is quite poor
<8> seriously, who cares?
<8> they will work that **** out eventually i'm sure
<5> somatt: watch the language
<6> make love not war
<0> |Jef|: of corse, but as i said, failure on a specific setup (ex: SMP) doesn't make the whole project junk
<8> yes love not war
<5> AntonTakk: did i say it was junk?
<1> >,<
<0> |Jef|: you seemed to be saying whe whole project was not going well
<8> you know what is junk is my windows box
<9> i wouldn't say that smp is a specific setup
<5> AntonTakk: really?
<8> and that is why i'm trying to get fc4 up and running
<5> AntonTakk: saying that the test release was going poorly... suggests that the whole project is junk?



<1> me 2
<6> I think Windows serves its intended purpose
<5> AntonTakk: so you make distinction between the technical specifics of the test release performance and the process around which testing is done?
<8> haha yea its intended purpose of paying billy bob gates
<5> AntonTakk: err you make no distinction i should have said
<8> ok well i just screwed the sudo pooch
<5> AntonTakk: i have no problem with the project.. or the testing process... i am stating a fact that the test release is behaving poorly for a number of people because of kernel issues
<6> easy-to-use general-purpose desktop
<8> so let's watch my compputer burn
<5> AntonTakk: not to mention issues with grubby not installing entries into grub.conf correctly
<1> AntonTakk : do you kno how to correct my problem?
<0> thor233: what method are you using to change resolutiion?
<1> right click the desktop and configure desktop
<9> win is not an easy to use desktop, at least not for someone who has used only linux before (like me ;)
<1> only way i can think of...
<1> and throught the cp
<6> well, imagine grandma trying to build an app from source
<6> and then you realize that Windows has a place in this world
<10> Sonar_Guy !
<8> yes this is true
<9> grandmas shouldn't build applications from source
<3> if I install cdrecord, will that burn to DVD or do I have to apply other patches or add ons?
<11> Hola rjune
<8> but that is only because dev people use linux
<9> and there are a bunch of software that makes adding software easier than on windows
<8> and grandma uses windows
<12> flakrat_: use growisofs from dvd+rw-tools
<8> if grandma used windows
<0> flakrat_: use growisofs for dvd writing, it's about the only decent solution
<8> *if grandma used linux then people would make stuff easier
<10> grandma uses whatever comes on the computer she purchases
<3> AndyCap: Thanks
<3> AntonTakk: Thanks
<8> and money buys the spot on the dell hard drive
<5> rjune: you mean whatever computer her kids purchase for her
<10> hiya Jef
<10> not my grandma
<10> both of them bought the machine themselves'
<6> it's naive to believe that Linux fits all needs
<5> rjune: yer grandma is a tech-dweeb?
<10> nope
<9> linux doesn't fit all needs
<10> I don't talk to one, and the other just ordered a gateway
<9> but it fits average grandma's needs
<10> kratzers: it's naive to think it of windows too, but hey
<6> yes, glad I never did
<8> there is enough distros of linux that it should fit all needs lol
<8> haha this is true as well
<5> rjune: i dont recommend linux to family members for that exact reason
<5> rjune: because if i did.. i would have to support it
<10> ayup
<5> rjune: i let them buy windos machines.. and wash my hands of it
<0> pfft, I have to support the box no matter what it is running
<5> rjune: "oh im sorry.. i dont know anything about windows"
<9> somatt unfortunately there are some software packages that have no linux counterpart
<8> i don't even know linux at all and i still have to support it
<10> my little bro, mom and her b/f are one thing, but the family at large, nope
<6> I do, however, hate the fact that you can't order a Dell PC with no OS
<0> so i recomment linux (unless their needs exclude it) and they don't get the root p***word
<10> kratzers: FreeDOS
<8> that is why i am in here
<6> what about FreeDOS?
<10> somatt: personally or professionally?
<10> you can get a dell with freedos
<6> ah, I didn't have the option of getting either of mine with no OS or even FreeDOS
<6> XP Home
<13> kratzers, you can use the sysreccd and run free dos.
<10> not all have that option
<6> which is okay, because I need MS Office to do some school work
<8> well right now personally
<13> kratzers, you can use open office
<10> somatt: bummer, if it was professionally, I would ask if your company had openings. :-P


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