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<0> fooood
<1> StillBob, been beer free all week
<1> thinking bout gettin some though
<1> ...
<0> f_newton: just threw out big box of boards with 66mhz upto 133 the other day
<1> those are great for household controllers Durrikan
<1> mount em in the attics or in a closet and have them controll house function
<1> use a custom version of os/2
<0> heh, I've still couple boxes left
<0> had to make some room for newer stuff I brought in from warehouse
<1> well I won't tell ya how I do it cuz its still not patented yet, but I am saving up the money for it
<0> at my old house I had plc set up so when someone came in the drive it would ring a bell and change light on the redlight in the backyard
<2> Hello
<2> I'm having problems to install FC4 on a virtual machine, has anybody ever tried?
<1> durrikan I am talking about a system that can cut your utility bills in half
<1> modular that can either be diy installed or professionally installed
<0> friend of mine and myself was looking at doing some similar along with home security alol controlled by a laptop or desktop setup and wired in a closet
<0> aight stomach just ate part of my backbone...off to get food
<3> bruno: i had success installing fedora core 4 on a win2000 vmware player from a community built machine from: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/community.html
<2> exw: well, I was actually trying to install it using Microsoft's VirtualPC
<2> all I get are some senseless ***embly codes
<3> bruno[]: well try VMware Player, it's free
<2> Let me check
<4> hi
<4> I'm somewhat experienced with computers but not necessarily a veteran; is Fedora a good distribution for someone like me?
<5> rudyV do you know unix commands?
<4> I know a few like cat, dd, ls, etc
<5> can you configure networking?
<4> I can setup a DSL modem - if that's enough then yes
<5> I mean, do you understand what ip numbers / masks / gateway mean?
<5> and dhcp
<4> Yes
<5> what hardware are you planning on using for Fedora?
<4> a Pentium II 400 MHz, 256M RAM, 10G HD
<5> perfect :)
<5> I think you will be able to use Fedora
<4> Does Fedora work good on machines of that vintage?
<5> anything you don't understand you'll be able to find
<5> depends on what you want to do, but
<1> rudy Ive had it running on just such a machine
<1> it was ok
<5> I'm running a file server off a pentium II 233, 128Mb RAM
<5> there is the possiblity somethings on a desktop are slow
<1> I would probably run ubuntu 5.04 on it though cuz it isnt as much of a drain on the resources
<5> drain like ?
<1> fedora is a bit resource intensive
<5> examples
<1> if I have to give them to you I bet you wouldnt understand them
<6> Don't run KDE or Gnome on a P2 233.
<1> try comparison shopping
<7> ubuntu also
<1> I dont run any gui on a 233
<5> you'd be surprised
<1> no I doubt it
<6> I didn't say you can't.. I just said don't.
<6> Unless you're going with retro KDE 1.3 or something.
<1> win 98 may run on it albeit not too well
<1> good choice Khaytsus
<5> I think you can get away with one of the non-KDE or GNOME desktops
<4> I can run Win 98 on a P2/233 without straining it
<1> rudyV, believe me it strains it
<5> no thanks, I have my redhat 5.1 cds :)
<6> I would definately strain running win98 on anything.
<6> Carlisle: Me too, but they didn't come with KDE 1.3.
<6> They came with AfterStep and such.
<1> lol we arent talking our good taste sense Khaytsus
<4> there are some things I do on a Windows desktop, but those are reserved for my Athlon XP 2000+
<7> rudyV, on my P233 192Ram 4gb runs xp pro >;) but the startup want ~4mins
<5> but anyway, back to rudyV
<6> And doing anything 10
<5> ideally on the hardware you are talking about a server configuration of some kind will work
<4> A P2/400 can be a Web server?
<6> Of course
<5> oh yes
<6> My server is still a p2 400.. RH 6.3, with manual updates on services.
<1> rudyV, I don't think any single processor box is a good server but thats just my opinion
<4> i bet it would beat the pants off my Win2K3 600 MHz Celeron though
<6> Going on 1060 days uptime, somewhere around there :)
<5> f_newton, it depends on the load you give it
<1> well my personal home server is a quad xeon with 3gig ddr
<8> how do I get yum to use a squid to connect?
<5> I'm so happy for you
<6> f_newton: I'm sure you're joking.. if not..... why?
<1> a lot of people tap into it .... all over the apt complex and no I am not joking
<6> Hooboy.
<6> I have over 2000 people using my server on various services and it's a p2 400
<1> I have given away several servers to people in here.... and I have one for a certain young man if he ever gets out this way
<6> I don't see wh you'd need such a machine for ANTYHING except heavy database work or e-commerce.
<5> and I have 15000 people a day hit mine at work if we are counting numbers
<5> so rudyV
<1> Khaytsus, I have had two banks of 4 desktops each running of of twin 650 p3 servers and they were so slow I had time to go out for a burger between page loads
<6> What is said server doing?
<4> I run a phpBB, 2 wikis and a wordpress blog alongside static content on my server
<6> Because people "all over the apt complex" would generally be idiots surfing porn.
<1> it is a data/web server
<1> lol no its filtered
<6> Alrighty...
<9> I have a xen *guest* on a box with 12-20 others, and it's perfectly fine
<9> I get about 25k hits/day through apache, and probably 3000 mails/day through qmail
<9> CPU very rarely above 5%
<6> LLyric: But that doesn't give you bragging rights.
<1> p*** thru and text isnt really very processor intensive
<9> I wasn't bragging, I was saying that you can do a lot with very little cpu
<1> graphics work, database and office apps eat the crap outa cpu
<6> I have an IBM System p5 running my irc server for 20 friends of mine.
<9> Of course, weren't we talking about basic services?
<9> like httpd, mail, ftp, proxy, etc.
<1> lol
<1> well I still say single processor boards (excluding dual cores) are not the best servers
<9> Yeah, probably true.
<9> 2x600 is probably more scalable than 1x1000
<1> it will handle the load a lot better
<10> LLyric, Xen hosting - who with?
<9> zcat: rimuhosting.com - they're really excellent
<11> evening all
<9> $20/mo for guest with 96MB ram, 4GB disk, and 30GB/mo traffic
<4> What's xen?
<9> rudyV: paravirtualisation
<10> LLyric, ah, yeah, my #1 choice. unixshell.com is cheap, and provides more resources, but they're down a lot.
<4> huh?
<1> I vote for eskimo north
<1> Ive always liked them
<10> LLyric, I'll get around to moving one of these days. don't relish migrating servers is all
<1> good quick service
<9> rudyV: It looks like you've got your own box, with root, and can install whatever you want, but it's actually a guest on a bigger box
<9> zcat: I moved a bit gradually, it works really well..
<4> OK, a box within a box - I get it now
<11> quick question, seems that startx doesn't work for FC4 install (I installed just the basic server option), what rpm do I need?
<9> rudyV: actually pretty efficient, 90%+
<10> LLyric, I've got "The 96" unixshell plan - 96MB ram, 9GB hd, and 96GB/mo of cheap cogent traffic.
<10> LLyric, tho they recently changed their plan matrix around so that particular setup isn't available anymore
<9> zcat: if you talk to rimuhosting, and mention unixshell, they might come down a little in price
<9> unixshell looks about half the price I'm paying!
<10> rudyV, it's the future of webhosting. Maybe not Xen (because you can't oversell resources), but VPS' in general. more efficient.
<10> LLyric, half the 9's too.
<9> Yeah, bit of a problem when it hosts my main email systems
<11> or is there a shell command to install those packages on install CDs?
<10> LLyric, well, hasn't been down long enough for a mailserver to stop retrying to send and bounce... and you can always setup a 2ndary MX
<10> f_newton, eskimo... i had them for dialup in the early 90's.
<1> If i ever need a quick hook up (not meaning fast) I give them a call
<1> they try hard to make everything right and are just darn good people to do business with
<9> Yup, rimuhosting are good like that too. They seem to know what they're doing.
<9> Far more than webpipe, who I was with before that
<12> sweet, i got fluxbox now! yay :)
<10> LLyric, only downside to rimuhosting would be the name. :)
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