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<0> RockClimber: They are still pretty easy to find though..
<1> AutOPSY: hey, found the answer... cyrus-sasl-plain was missing
<0> RockClimber: well seeing that there aren't really any 3d open source nvidia drivers.. it's hard to make a comparison
<2> I want a system with (basic) 3d hardware acceleration and no propritetry driver, it seems either old ati or intel onboard are the only solution
<1> AutOPSY: just yum install cyrus-sasl-plain and then restarted saslauthd
<2> egoot, I know there are no open source nvidia 3d, but how stable is the Xorg ati driver - the nvida one isn't great
<1> AutOPSY: well, just wanted to let you know, thank you! bye
<1> adios guys, sleep well (4 am here)
<0> RockClimber: I've got no complaints on my laptop.. Radeon mobility 7200
<2> egoot, and you're using the open source drivers (just checking as people keep commenting on the free proprietry one).
<0> RockClimber: yes. It ran celestia well enough.. i haven't done much else with it aside from using the basic desktop applications email/http
<2> that's great
<2> I want to build a system that won't get stuck if a new kernel comes out and the proprietry drivers don't work (as happened to me with nvidia). So I'll probably get a 7000 radeon.
<0> you can go as high as the 9200's I think
<3> What's the urgency in upgrading to the latest second kernel?
<3> Just wait a week or two, and the drivers will catch up
<0> sometimes it's fun to be on the bleeding edge.. sometimes there is some killer feature you have to have. you might want to use a development kernel like mm or some kind of crazy patchset.
<0> heck.. he might want to get into kernel development and stay on the bleeding edge.
<4> +or not
<0> i always feel a little "unclean" when I have closed source software on my machine
<3> From my experience the oss ati driver isn't any good
<5> StillBob I have installed yum and found that the ettercap package is not offered through it. Is it possible that it will be released soon for FC4?
<3> IClown: you need to add some repositories other than the defaults
<5> ? i don't know what you mean
<5> i'm sorry, but am very new to this
<3> yum is just a client that searches a "repository" for software. By default it comes with fedora, fedora-updates and maybe extras.
<3> You can add other ones
<3> Like "dag", "freshrpms", "atrpms", "livna" etc.
<6> IClown: rpmforge.net/user/packages/ettercap/
<6> IClown: simple google search
<5> these are for core 2 and 3...will it work on FC4?
<6> IClown: read the fedorafaq.org link I provided, then "yum --enablerepo=dries install ettercap" I would try
<5> ok, thank you
<6> IClown: if that does not yield results that are positive, you could download the FC3 rpm and try "yum localinstall </path/to/download>"
<6> IClown: the third option would envolve rebuilding the SRC RPM for the package for FC4
<5> i am a little afraid that may be way over my head
<6> IClown: it could be that this ettercap package does not build cleanly for FC4 that is why you are not finding it
<0> ok.. my screen just went black while doing its fixfiles.. and i'm still not getting past init. i'm beginning to think i'm not meant to run strict.
<0> maybe i can get this to work in fc4 rather than test3..
<6> egoot: running a test is not a way to get things to work
<6> egoot: running a test is how you make sure things work for the next release
<7> egoot, strict has issues on test 3 but should mostly work
<0> i'm a bit wary of selinux strict. i figured i would try the throwaway system. my options are limited for testing..
<7> egoot, you can boot into rescue with selinux=0 and switch back if required
<8> does anyone else see things like http://pastebin.com/573021 in dmesg?
<7> it doesnt do anything non revertable
<7> leshaste, which version of Fedora and kernel
<8> mether: I have tested a whole range. I am actually currently on 2.6.16-rc4-mm1 this second to see if anything fixes it
<6> IClown: what did you say you needed ettercap for?
<0> mether: ok, i'm going to take the plunge and try it here. if it doesn't work i'm just going to bed
<5> i have a project for a cl*** that uses it
<5> but they are talking about RH9
<4> i love school
<5> i have a box that has FC4
<4> always like 5-6 years behind
<5> i didn't want to uninstall fc4 for rh9
<4> i wouldn't either
<0> i guess i'm technically not running test3, since I ran an update.
<8> where would I find the <Help> messages that you see in make menuconfig?
<9> leshaste: lost a s?
<8> PsychoDad: a s ?
<9> lesShaste ?
<6> IClown: I am seeing if I can get it to install here for you
<5> Thank you so much
<8> PsychoDad: what did your message mean?
<6> IClown: it installs using the FC3 rpm on FC4
<5> awesome!
<6> IClown: wget http://dag.wieers.com/packages/ettercap/ettercap-0.7.3-1.1.fc3.rf.i386.rpm
<5> it won't hurt the system you think?
<5> i know nothing about linux yet
<3> You could always rebuild the source rpm on your system
<6> IClown: then 'su -c "yum localinstall </path/to/ettercap-0.7.3-1.1.fc3.rf.i386.rpm>"'
<9> leshaste: no matter
<5> is rebuilding hard to do?
<3> not once your system is set up, can't explain right now, brb
<5> k
<6> IClown: not really, but I see no problems with just installing it
<6> IClown: in some cases rebuilding is needed
<5> I've just installed it now
<5> it seems to keep crashing
<6> Ewww
<5> i get the error : pcap_open: socket: Operation not permitted
<6> you might need to rebuiold it then
<6> IClown: I am not sure how it is supposed to work
<6> IClown: do you have a sample command I can use to test it?
<5> the book shows a gui
<6> Ahh, I am testing from teh commandline
<5> i think to start it it's ettercap -C
<5> or ettercap -g
<5> I'll try command line
<6> IClown: is your system fully updated?
<5> I ran the yum commands
<6> IClown: yum update?
<5> yes
<6> IClown: what does "uname -r" return?
<6> IClown: ettercap starts here just fine so you know
<5> let me check
<5> ok...i just checked, i had another terminal going. it's STILL updating
<5> i thought it had closed
<5> i should close apps while updating, huh?
<6> IClown: OK after it is done updating, you will need to reboot the system to use the newer kernel among other things
<5> ok
<6> IC closing apps can not hurt but generally is not needed
<5> wow. there are a lot of updates
<6> IClown: FC4 is an old man at this point
<5> really?
<6> IClown: we will have FC5 in the next month
<5> oh wow
<5> i just installed fc4 a few weeks ago. i've been trying to learn linux on my own as much as possible
<5> i found out this cl*** has some work in it, and though i'd get a head start
<6> IClown: there are a lot of good resources out there, http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz is one that comes to mind
<5> thank you
<5> i will read that
<6> IClown: http://fedoraproject.org/ http://fedorasolved.org/ http://fedoraforum.org/ http://fedoralinks.org/
<5> i went out and got the SAMS book redhat fedora core 4 unleashed
<5> i've been working through it
<6> Cool
<5> i like linux a lot better than windows so far
<5> it seems like once you know it, you can customize EVERYTHING
<6> or not customize anything if you don't want to
<6> LOL
<5> lol
<6> IClown: I am coming up on my 6th year with Linux, 3rd year with out Windows
<5> wow
<10> im coming up on my first with linux, and without windows :)
<5> i'm coming up on 3 weeks of mistakes
<10> but i still can't get my parents to move their desktop off windoze
<5> but good learning
<10> yea
<10> the learning is great! :D
<10> im still learning
<5> i'd like to trash windows and only use the linux, but I don't know enough linux yet to get things done.
<6> I am still learning
<6> I don't think it ever stops
<10> yea
<10> the technology changes that fast...
<6> that might be one of the things i like about it, it keeps my old brain active
<10> hehe
<10> inflates my young brain :)
<5> any way to know if FC5 will have ettercap?
<6> Tinned_Tuna: yeah you have a big head
<6> LOL
<10> lol :D
<5> lol
<6> IClown: it would seem like a good candidate for Fedora Extras if we can find someone to package, review and sponsor it
<10> i'd like to learn how to package something
<10> like, put it in RPM form?
<5> i have no idea what that means, but it sounds promising?
<6> IClown: you might search the FedoraProject.org/wiki for "wishList"
<5> ok
<9> Tinned_Tuna: a lot of turorials in google, and even more examples in all .src.rpms
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