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<0> nigelb: ... d'oh, very sorry :)
<1> i am making a mistake somewhere, obvious .. Norky ... :(
<0> nigelb: actually, if it's a recent Xeon, it might be 64bit capable
<2> hey guys, Im curious what you would suggest i use for a mail client
<1> pine
<1> or thunderbird
<3> blame, join the club...
<2> what about a kde native client?
<4> evolution
<3> kryptoz, definetely Thunderbird
<2> ok thanks
<1> i dunno .. i less use evolution .. cuz it looks pretty
<3> TravisBarker, DEFINETEL tHUNDERBIRD
<1> thunderbird is gud
<1> simple and easy
<5> np Norky, I don't have a clue what I'm doing - glad someone is able to point me in the right direction
<0> nigelb: anyway, for your OS, you want rpm -ivh http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/kernel-smp-2.6.15-1.1831_FC4.i686.rpm
<6> What tool you use to switch between wireless networks? Using Gnome-2.12
<0> j_m_k__: NetworkManager
<6> Should devices been activeted at boot time or not?
<5> Norky :-
<5> warning: /var/tmp/rpm-xfer.Au4gYk: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2
<5> error: Failed dependencies:
<5> udev < 071-0.FC4.1 conflicts with kernel-smp-2.6.15-1.1831_FC4.i686
<7> nigelb, rpm -qa|grep udev
<8> Seraphiel, http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi
<9> /cl/c
<8> Seraphiel, just came across it again ;)
<4> mether: help me with write access to the wiki
<10> che: found it 5 minutes ago, but thanks
<7> Norky, is nigelb not supposed to be running the smp kernel?
<11> what's "rawhide"?
<12> I need to reinstall my fedora cora 4 because of an upgrade of mobo (sata drive isnt supported by the kernel) is there a way to 'repair' fedora when re-installing?
<10> che: it`s still alpha, isn`t it?
<11> Madsret: as soon as the installer starts u're offered 2 options: new install, repair
<7> Madsret, you could try an 'upgrade'
<7> Madsret, I would reinstall
<12> Thankyou :)
<0> nigelb: this is the trouble with doign manual installs - yum handles all the dependency nonsense for you
<7> Norky, you should start using 'yum localinstall'
<0> rpm -ivh http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/kernel-smp-2.6.15-1.1831_FC4.i686.rpm http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/udev-071-0.FC4.2.i386.rpm
<8> Seraphiel, i am not sure abouts its current development state.
<11> oh, devel
<8> Seraphiel, its not finished yet though.
<8> Madsret, wait before reinstalling
<13> bandan, have you registered in the wiki?
<12> spike/damaestro i guess i just first try to repair / upgradee....if it doesnt work complete reinstal...yeah i already have the latest kernel it didnt work
<8> Madsret, you shouldnt have to "reinstall"
<7> Norky, yum localinstall will resolve the deps
<4> mether: yes i have : BandanDas
<8> Madsret, does your board support sata/ide raid?
<10> che: hope the release comes faster than e17 ;-)
<12> I tried to fix the problem for 6 hours yesterday, no1 was able to help me on irc either, thats why i think i need to reinstall, full story here: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=95399
<8> Madsret, if so make sure you have the raid controller turned off in bios.
<12> good point che
<13> bandan, added. refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing
<8> Madsret, i guess its not sata that is the problem but more likely the raid controller is enabled by default.
<8> Madsret, and fc4 yet doesent handle the onboard wannabe raid controllers ;)
<13> bandan, and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Amb***adors
<7> Madsret, I would boot the install CD and see if the install prog is able to see the drive.
<4> mether: thanks :)
<12> the old mobo had 2 sata ports, and 4 sata raid ports, i used sata port 1 and none of the 4 raids...this new mobo only has 4 sata ports
<8> Madsret, what chipset?
<12> sorry che no clue
<10> does sata drives appear as /dev/sda*?
<8> if the raid controller manages em they wont i guess.
<14> Madsret, yeah, disable fakeraid in your bios if set.
<12> oke thanks will try now
<14> had to do that with my MSI nforce4 board too.
<8> zcat, same here with nforce4x
<15> hi, I made a fresh install of FC4. When I run up2date it tells me the updates are not signed with a GPG signature for each update, how do I fix?
<8> zcat, gigabyte changed the defaults with an updated bios though to turn the raid stuff off by default.
<13> psyke83, use yum
<14> che, I've flashed my bios maybe 4 times in the past year (sorta a OCD complex about that), but don't know if they've toggled that
<15> mether, if I run yum update then yum upgrade, will it stop warning about GPG signatures?
<8> zcat, does msi also provide a non dos way of flashing?
<11> this is, uhm, weird... I just ran yum update. then switched mirrors from default to .de and got 4 more packages to update
<15> do I need to manually add some GPG keys?
<5> Norky :-
<5> rpm -ivh http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/kernel-smp-2.6.15-1.1831_FC4.i686.rpm http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/udev-071-0.FC4.2.i386.rpm
<5> Retrieving http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/kernel-smp-2.6.15-1.1831_FC4.i686.rpm
<5> Retrieving http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/udev-071-0.FC4.2.i386.rpm
<5> warning: /var/tmp/rpm-xfer.FVkWMv: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2
<5> error: Failed dependencies:
<5> udev < 071-0.FC4.1 conflicts with kernel-smp-2.6.15-1.1831_FC4.i686
<5> You have mail in /var/spool/mail/root
<15> also, I chose the long keyboard setting during install, how do I change it?
<11> is such asynchronism normal?
<7> nigelb, rpm -qa|grep udev
<8> psyke83, system-config-keyboard
<7> I asked for that a while ago
<15> thx
<11> also, I'd expect .us mirrors to have newer stuff than .de ones
<11> diskdumputils/tar/tcpdump/yum
<14> che, maybe, haven't looked; i still have a floppy drive. also read about methods to boot a freedos image from grub
<5> udev-058-1
<7> nigelb, only one thing listed?
<5> yes
<8> zcat, the nice deal with my mobo is that i can flash directly from floppy without booting dos ;)
<16> nigelb, you cannot install udev-071, you have to update to it
<8> zcat, sure hooking freedos into grub is also relatively painless way to deal with it.
<16> nigelb, use "rpm -Uvh udev-071....."
<8> cubbi, it says "conflicts"
<8> cubbi, in my eyes thats an indications that kernels that dont work with this udev versions have to be uninstalled.
<16> che, yes, because he has already installed 058
<12> So what do i need to change in my bios? I saw Sata 1 and sata 2 controllers enabled...and Nvidia raid functio is disavled
<8> Madsret, if the raid function is disabled thats not the problem.
<12> bah:(
<16> che, it says that 2.6.15 conflicts with udev <071 this is correct, because he has 058 installed, and instead of trying to update he tries to install
<0> nigelb: d'oh, sorry, yes, cubbi is right, you can't install, you must upgrade in the case of udev
<12> i better just do a upgrade/repair or reinstall then
<0> wget http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/kernel-smp-2.6.15-1.1831_FC4.i686.rpm http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/udev-071-0.FC4.2.i386.rpm
<8> cubbi, correct.
<16> an older kernel should not conflict with a newer udev version, so updating udev first and then installing the new kernel should be fine
<8> cubbi, so he needs to run a complete yum update as step to resolve it.
<8> cubbi, partial updates can potentially bring up other issues ;)
<16> che, using yum is always recommended :)
<0> yum localupdate udev-071-0.FC4.2.i386.rpm
<0> yum localinstall kernel-smp-2.6.15-1.1831_FC4.i686.rpm
<5> right, grabbed those files
<16> however, in this case update udev, and then installing the kernel manually should also be fine
<5> Now the two yum's?
<0> che, cubbi: nigelb is seeing a lot of timeouts trying to get anything from yum
<0> nigelb: yes
<16> Norky, ah ok, network problem, or just a wrong mirror?
<11> mmh, what sort of regexp does yum accept? isnt it PCRE, is it?
<5> Install 0 Package(s)
<5> Update 1 Package(s)
<5> Remove 0 Package(s)
<5> Total download size: 3.2 M
<5> Is this ok [y/N]: y
<5> Downloading Packages:
<5> warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2
<5> public key not available for udev-071-0.FC4.2.i386.rpm
<0> cubbi: he's getting some info from yum repos, headers by the look of it, but nothing more than that after retrying several times
<11> I've noticed that yum list installed *mail* will list stuff like procmail, but * in PCRE terms means nothing alone like that. it should been .*mail.*
<0> spike: I don't even think yum regexps are that sophisticated at all
<11> nigelb: guess you missed the UPPERCASE part of the join message where it says to NOT PASTE more than 4lines
<11> Norky: I c, tnx
<5> spike, my apologies
<0> spike: I think the experssion matching of yum and rpm is closest to shell globbing
<5> Norky, I guess what I did paste suggests that the command failed?
<16> Norky, could be still a mirror problem, since yum could fetch the headers from one mirror and the packages from another
<17> how can I get my 'shutdown' back into the menue?
<8> cubbi, his sig message is wierd
<8> cubbi, they should be imported by default.
<0> spike: see the "Pattern Matching" from man bash, that seems to describe it
<0> nigelb: hmm, try yum -y update udev
<0> and if you want to paste the output, use a pastebin like http://rafb.net/paste/
<5> (ok, will do)
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