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<0> nyq, and personally i dont think a switch from xorg to xgl will happen either
<1> viva la revolucion
<0> nyq, not an X developer here though
<2> che: I meant on a project design basis, not technical code merge ;)
<3> how do I close port 111 ?
<1> man iptqables
<1> iptables
<3> I don't want to just filter it
<0> nyq, well i am pretty sure they both will have the similar capabilities as for "effects the user can see"
<3> I want to close it (i.e.)
<4> xxoxx: then stop the service running on port 111
<1> perhaps you should man iptables then
<3> yeah
<3> how do I stop portmap ?
<1> service portmap stop
<3> ok ...
<3> thanks
<4> and chkconfig off portmap
<2> che: yeh, and if the devs agree on a design we'll have teams in both camps developing the same thing rather than competing on equally bad implementations
<4> er, sorry, chkconfig portmap off
<3> ok
<3> thanks Fiver
<1> you need both
<1> service stop and chkconfig
<4> is that running from xinetd? I forget..
<1> no
<4> k
<5> whats this.. if i run firefox from another local linux server, it "connects" with firefox running on localhost
<5> ie i see same downloads, same extensions,
<0> nyq, well if you think theres room for improvement you should also tell upstream.
<0> nyq, i cant change it :) upstream can
<5> how is that physically possible
<0> nyq, i just was thinking from where i know your name... you run nrpms?
<6> broadcom experience anyone?
<2> che: the issues have already been documented by people more capable than I
<2> che: yep
<0> nyq, hello... i was/am running newrpms :)
<6> don't got much network on the go here...
<2> che: oh, hello there!
<6> :(
<0> nyq, thats how you meet hehe
<2> che: hehe
<0> nyq, its a pity i dont have the time currently to build up more experimental stuff to get ready
<0> nyq, but times will come back i am sure.
<2> che: free time is always an issue, and one of the reasons I scaled back nrpms. esp with a full time job
<0> nyq, same here. most stuff is in extras now.
<0> nyq, i mean to be honest you also loose interest after building the same things for years
<0> nyq, i was basically happy to get my hands free again
<0> nyq, well maybe we can team up with an undertaking i have in mind
<0> nyq, if you have some time we could talk about details later
<2> che: yeh, so you get a thrill out of the new apps (i was building 'service-discovery-applet' (avahi applet) today), and that was fun, but yeh
<0> nyq, yep exactly
<2> che: sounds interesting
<7> Hi foolish
<0> nyq, new unpackaged stuff that is less commonly known
<8> Hi Bob
<0> hi EvilBob foolish
<2> che: new day, new tarball ;)
<0> nyq, yup thats how it went for a long time
<0> nyq, while i am still doing things for stuff i formerly packaged
<0> nyq, like the fluxbox xdg menu gen
<0> nyq, my goal was always to get the stuff really ready also by enhancing... triggering nec***ery enhancements etc
<9> why does 'cat /var/log/secure* | grep 'Apr 5' >> /var/www/html/today.html' work from cli, but not from within a bash script?
<0> nyq, the real thrill is to find nice things most people never heard about yet
<0> nyq, like e.g. the trigger racing game when i initially packaged it
<0> nyq, ever tried it?
<2> che: 'fraid to say no
<0> http://www.positro.net/trigger/
<0> just if you are curious.
<0> very nice to drive actually :)
<2> che: i dunno about packaging anymore. i've been using my desktop for years and see regressions that affect me also which lead me to want to become a developer (see the evolution bugs dwmw2 has been going on about)
<0> nyq, well packaging for me always included discussions with upstream etc
<0> nyq, getting patches up... getting patches ready... getting people to write patches hehe
<10> Fedora doesn't need packagers
<10> it needs maintainers
<2> dwmw2: ditto
<10> see the 'pikdev disabled on ppc for lack of a one-line obvious fix' bug, for example
<10> not that I mean to pick on anyone in particular -- that one could well just be someone who didn't have enough time to look properly. But that's a problem too ;)
<2> dwmw2: i have to agree with you about the evo stuff. I even blogged about it (http://www.castleinthesky.org/archives/2006/03/29/862/); Jeff was not playing fair
<11> hi all
<0> dwmw2, plain packaging can be done by non coders
<0> dwmw2, maintaining in my eyes cant
<10> che: yes, I agree with that to a certain extent.
<10> although one way for non-coders to _become_ coders is to take on the job of package maintenance... if that's what they _want_
<0> dwmw2, and there should be mandatory lessons for beeing able to use autotools properly.
<10> to be a packager and resist the need to become a coder is what I think is bad :)
<0> dwmw2, yeah it is
<10> che: you mean instructions on using 'rm' and on writing proper Makefiles? :)
<0> dwmw2, you gotta be willing to continually learn
<0> dwmw2, haha
<11> can anyone give me a hand? I need some help installing my wireless card drivers..
<10> nyq: hadn't seen that -- heh.
<0> dwmw2, well when i started packaging... it was hell on earth.
<10> Tu13es_: what network card?
<11> Intel 2200bg
<0> dwmw2, basically only gnome had nicely maintained buildfiles hehe
<11> I've got the drivers and firmware downloaded, I just don't know what to do with it :)
<11> I basically know nothing about linux, heh
<0> dwmw2, no matter what interesting application i looked at... -> mess
<10> the drivers are part of the kernel -- you didn't need to download those separately
<12> I got a wierd problem running programs. I downloaded a bunch of stuff on kYum, but for some reason, none of the new games I got work. Am I missing something?
<10> che: yeah, I remember a lot of that a decade or so ago
<11> hm, I read in a few places that I did- but anyways, what do I do?
<10> Tu13es_: do you have the 'livna' package repository set up?
<10> if you install the firmware package from there, it just goes into the right place automatically
<11> I'd say no, since I don't know what 'livna' refers to
<10> Tu13es_: this is FC5?
<11> yep
<11> just installed it last night
<10> ok, ignore the stuff you downloaded
<10> you're on the network?
<11> yeah, my NIC works fine
<10> rpm -i http://http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/5/ppc/livna-release-5-4.noarch.rpm
<10> yum install ipw2200-firmware
<10> Tu13es_: then it should all be set up.
<11> dwmw2, I get "no such file or directory" on <!DOCTYPE, HTML, and PUBLIC
<10> oops. Remove the extra 'http://'
<11> oh, duh :P
<10> sorry
<11> heh, no big
<12> Does anyone know why any new games I downloaded through yum won't work?
<11> dwmw2, do I need to log out and log back in?
<12> running FC5, and they just won't open
<10> Tu13es_: Are you using NetworkManager?
<11> hm?
<11> Network Device Control?
<13> Hi, my gthumb has suddenly stopped working: gthumb: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62: invalid ELF header... any ideas whats wrong with my libjpeg?
<14> InsomniaCity: rpm -qf /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62
<15> Can some one help on what this mean ? http://pastebin.com/642974
<10> There's a program called NetworkManager which I think should be running by default on a FC5 install
<13> Magic8Ball: libjpeg-6b-34
<14> InsomniaCity: rpm -V libjpeg-6b-34
<14> InsomniaCity: do you see the library in the output?
<10> should give you a little icon in the panel which make you think 'unhappy network'. Like an RJ45 plug with a red cross through it or something
<13> Magic8Ball: http://rafb.net/paste/results/DJCNsZ14.html
<13> Magic8Ball: not sure :P
<14> InsomniaCity: looks like last nights prelink run might have gone badly for you
<13> Magic8Ball: hmm?
<13> a maintainer somewhere has trashed my libjpeg?
<14> InsomniaCity: no...
<13> lol, ok. what happened?
<14> InsomniaCity: i dont know exactly what happened.. im just saying that one potential problem might have been ***ociated with the run of prelink on your system last night
<13> can I re-run it to see the output? I've never heard of prelink....
<14> InsomniaCity: prelink runs nightly... its effectively an optimization which allows for libraries to load faster
<16> Prelink tries to determine and map a library or ELF executable into certain memory segments, or something like that..
<14> InsomniaCity: looking at the rpm -V error.. it looks like prelink can't operate on the library
<16> In this operation it writes (appends, I think) info in the beginning of the ELF.
<16> File.
<14> InsomniaCity: i dont know how to confirm that prelink screwed up.... but you should be able to recover by reinstalling the libjpeg rpm
<17> hello! Anybody can tell me where do I get ntfs module for FC5 and why it isn't distributed by default?
<14> InsomniaCity: and then you can test to see if prelink causes a problem again by manually running the cronjob
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