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<0> i'm a bind/dns newb. i'm trying to lookup the answer to a question. I just built two name servers. Neither have any additional zone files other than what bind installed. Both servers are on public ip addresses and one acts as the others slave. What do you tell a registrar, when you first create a domain, what the name servers are, if you "have" to put in a dns name and not an ip? Goddady won't let me put in an IP address.
<1> references in NS records require NAMES ... so that's why registrars require it
<1> how that proceeds depends on whether the names given are _in_ that domain or not
<1> and normally I recommend to make them be in the domain they work for, even if sharing the same IP as name servers for another domain
<1> see for example my domain: ipal.net
<0> ok, well i'm not sure what to tell my registrar
<0> ok
<1> I supply "ns1.ipal.net" and others to my registrar ... because they are in the same domain, then I also supply IP addresses for the names
<1> the end result is the registrar puts in NS records under my domain name pointing to my name server hostnames _and_ puts in A records under each of those hostnames giving their IP addresses
<0> i'm not clear where you are saying you put the IP's at on your registrar. sounds like you are just stating them as a 3rd and 4th nameserver address but as IP's
<1> do the following command in a unix shell to see what records the registrar sets up for my domain:
<1> dig +norec @a.gtld-servers.net. ipal.net. any
<1> if you tell me the domain name specifically, I can provide examples that are clear
<0> sure. but i'll have to explain myself. when i got this job, they were using directinter.net. they want me to rid themself of directinter.net (like i know anythinga bout dns i told them...). they want to use dcdi.net
<0> so
<0> i'm trying to just double up first off, by placing dns.dcdi.net and dns2.dcdi.net as NS records.
<1> so you want things set up right for dcdi.net
<0> ya
<1> there will be 2 steps you need to do ... depending on the registrar's web programming, they may come in different orders or such
<0> and eventually just make directinter.net a simple zone file for a mail server.
<0> network sol
<0> for both domains
<1> 1. register host NAMES ns1.dcdi.net and ns2.dcdi.net as the name servers for dcdi.net
<1> 2. register 12.160.224.81 as the IP for ns1.dcdi.net and register 12.160.224.82 as the IP for ns2.dcdi.net
<0> both steps at the registrar?
<1> I think netsol does them together ... it will open up a field for the IP address for the hostname if you given an "in domain" host
<1> yes ... when the registrar sets up DNS records for this in the .net zone, it will put in 2 NS records AND 2 A records
<1> so it needs all that information
<0> i think i'm just playing paranoid. i'm trying to ensure i don't inturrupt any service as dcdi.net is an active domain.'
<1> I have 7 NS records and 7 A records on ipal.net (probably too many ... cutting back to 4 would be enough)
<1> it won't let the registration of unknown name servers go through ... it will ask for them or otherwise require you to set up the registration
<1> you're going to use the very same name servers on the same IPs, correct?
<0> yep, same two boxes and ip's
<1> OK, I just checked, you do have the NS records for both ns1.dcdi.net and ns2.dcdi.net in both of those servers
<1> that would be important for continuity
<0> just trying to make dns.dcdi.net and dns2.dcdi.net NS and i guess in effect, make both servers become ns1.directinter.net, ns2.directinter.net, dns.dcdi.net, dns2.dcdi.net. later down the road, start having the dozen or so domains we run on them to have them update the registrars to use dns.dcdi.net and dns2.dcdi.net. then lastly reduce directinter.net to whatever we feel like, just not no an NS
<1> BTW, after this is all done and verified to work, you need to increase the TTLs to 43200 seconds or more
<0> OK
<1> you need to settle on what the name server names will be ... you are giving me contradictory names now
<1> will they be ns1.dcdi.net and ns2.dcdi.net ?
<0> i think i've said i was gonna name then dns.dcdi.net and dns2.dcdi.net. is that a bad naming?
<0> sorry if i typed it wrong earlier
<1> you have the NS records in your own server for ns1.dcdi.net and ns2.dcdi.net
<0> really?
<0> i thought they were dns and dns2. i'll go check
<1> you have a mix
<0> sure do. two A records for both.
<1> I recommend whatever name you use, where you use a sequence, like 1 2 3 or a b c that you do NOT use an omission
<1> for example: dns1 and dns2 would be OK ... dns and dns2 not so good
<0> there is a ns1 A 12.160.224.81, ns2 A 12.160.224.81, dns A 12.160.224.81, dns2 A 12.160.224.82
<0> oops
<1> but the reasons for this are not that we can't make it work today, but it will cause minor problems in the future
<1> so I _recommend_ changing "dns" to "dns1" if you want a name with "d" in it
<0> i see what your concern. here's why i didn't put a "1" in. on other things around here, we only have "one" thing of. for example, bridge.dcdi.net. since there is likely never to be a bridge2.dcdi.net, i thought naming bridge1.dcdi.net would be silly.
<1> another option a lot of places use would be like: a.ns.dcdi.net -and- b.ns.dcdi.net
<0> so, to match other things like that, i just figured i'll never name a 1 and leave it a whatever.dcdi.net so that way i can always go back to just one server for anything and not get stuck with a wathever1.dcdi.net
<0> ok i realize dumb explanaiont
<1> well you WILL have 2 name servers ... maybe more in the future
<0> yes, there will always be at least 2 name servers. i was just trying to match the pattern of the other things here.
<1> and I recommend the number on everything unless there is a 100% absolute certainly there will only be one
<1> there is a reason for that ... a name without a number could mean a general access with all IPs
<1> for some things that's useful, such as for NTP servers
<0> ok
<1> ntp1.dcdi.net and ntp2.dcdi.net could be your 2 time servers ... ntp.dcdi.net could be a name that has BOTH IPs on it for general use
<0> dns1.dcdi.net it is.
<1> tell me when you have that A record in your name servers (both) ... and have the NS record updated to point to them
<0> A records in the dcdi.net zone file are straight now
<1> fix the NS records next
<1> the NS records for dcdi.net still have dns.dcdi.net and not dns1.dcdi.net
<0> oops
<0> ok
<1> looks goo dnow
<0> ok boss, now time to head over to the registrar?
<1> looks good now
<1> sure
<0> ah network sol. dnsstuff's favorite registrar
<0> (not really)
<1> when you do this ... ADD dns1.dcdi.net and dns2.dcdi.net ... but do NOT delete the others, yet
<1> e.g. you will end up with 4 name servers for the interim
<0> ok
<0> just sorting through thier gui at the moment
<1> it's not the best around, but there are many that are a lot worse
<0> wtf............
<0> In order to use the Network Solutions Advanced DNS Manager, Network Solutions must first move your DNS hosting to Network Solutions DNS servers.
<0> ?
<1> you selected the wrong panel
<1> that was the panel for managing the DNS service they provide as an option
<0> ok
<1> if you did select that, you would be able to add names like "www" for your domain as hosted on THEIR name servers ... that of course is not what you want
<0> i'm trying to understand what their site is saying *shrug*. i'll figure it out in a second.
<0> weird, it's like they are tyring to lead me in the wrong direction. i can't seem to find where to do such a simple task.
<1> of course they are ... they want you to buy everything from them
<0> holy ballz, i should be done by now
<1> heh
<1> I'm trying to get in there myself ... the site is slow right now
<1> I'm on a dialup at 28.8k and it can't even keep my modem busy
<0> >: )
<0> i'm absoulutely blown away by this. i don't see how to do with without running into the "you are about to transfer you domain to a new...."
<1> I'm making progress getting in ... let me see what is there
<0> cool
<1> are you on the page for dcdi.net that says "Domain Details" ?
<1> and under there a section "Domain currently points to:"
<1> which lists the 2 directinter.net name servers?
<0> i'm at, Account Manager home
<1> select the domain name in the list for that domain name, then
<0> Domain currently points to: with a bullet
<0> lists both ns1 and ns2.directinter.net
<1> OK, is this the ONLY domain you need to do this with?
<0> i think so. my understanding is, i'mgoing to add dns1.dcdi.net and dns2.dcdi.net to directinter.net.
<0> i guess i have to do it to dcdi.net eventually
<1> so you are going to make dcdi.net AND directinter.net BOTH use dns1.dcdi.net and
<1> so you are going to make dcdi.net AND directinter.net BOTH use dns1.dcdi.net and dns2.dcdi.net as name servers?
<1> you need to do it to dcdi.net first, actually
<0> yes i do believe so. that should provide me the ability to pull directinter.net out later down the road.
<1> are BOTH dcdi.net AND directinter.net in the domain list for this account?
<0> ok, yes that makes sense. need to do it to dcdi.net first
<0> yes
<0> both are here
<1> you could just leave directinter.net alone ... in fact I recommend that
<0> same account
<0> ok
<1> e.g. let directinter.net have ns1.directinter.net and ns2.directinter.net as its name servers, which it already has now
<0> ok i'm in "domain details" for dcdi.net
<0> ok
<0> (thanks btw)
<1> OK ... see "Domain currently points to:" ... see to the right of that "EDIT" in red?
<0> edit "in blue" yes
<1> oh wait ... dunno what color it is for you ... I have an override in effect
<0> *shrug* dunno why different color
<0> k
<1> my override CSS
<0> ahh
<1> I have to restart browser to turn it off ... so I'll leave it on and wing it
<0> heh heh ok
<0> ok select edit?
<1> you can override the style of any page with local CSS
<1> yes, select edit on the "Domain currently points to:"
<0> k
<1> "Move DNS to a new name server" is on the first box?
<0> yup
<1> if so, click "Continue" for that box ... it would turn off their "value add services, like having them host your DNS"
<1> but you don't use those
<1> so it doesn't matter
<0> ok
<1> looks like a 2nd warning box ... more elaborate warning about them losing a way to charge you more money :-)
<0> yes 2nd warning. i came to this box, thinking this is just a "attempt to scare me" since i'm doing stuff on my own. but....
<0> but at this location is does say "you are about to move your name servers away from Netowrk Solutions"
<1> you don't have them at Network Solutions
<1> click continue at that 2nd warning box
<1> you should get a page with several input boxes for putting in name servers
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