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<0> yeah
<1> thanks abrotman
<0> or can you use the DVI? someone in #linuxhelp seems to think it's possible.. but I dont have a /usr/share/NVIDIA* directory
<2> thanks abrot
<1> I thought you meant use snapshot or something...but what you meant was I just had to "apt-get install package"
<2> your the master
<3> Hi everyone
<2> abrotman but it um..
<2> its in using x with fluxbox
<3> May anyone tell me the name of this program to output i a file and to stdout too please ?
<4> jshriver: ask #nvidia
<4> !tell yggdrasil_ about dpms
<4> yggdrasil_: but turn it off
<5> Serinity: look at the man page for tee
<2> abrotman ok thanks
<0> thanks



<3> bdc334, yes, that's it, thanks
<3> :)
<6> which of these java packages should i install to get a basic java app to run
<7> how does one put backports in one's sources.list while having the default version be stable?
<2> abrotman i dont understand the config monitor setting... is thatin xorg.conf ?
<7> bnovc: install sun java.
<4> yes
<2> thanks
<4> Option "DPMS" "Off"
<6> evilgeek, is there some dash or something?
<8> what happened to my fonts? I just updated a bunch of X libs and my fonts are now suspiciously "blocky" (running testing)
<7> bnovc: it's not in debian.
<6> evilgeek, oh ok...none of these packages will work?
<4> evilbulgarian: mine went .. like .. blurry :)
<2> abrotman Option "DPMS" "off"
<2> ?
<7> they're all incomplete/broken implementations of java.
<4> EvilSporkMan: but i don't care enough about fonts to give a ****
<4> yggdrasil_: yes
<8> abrotman: mine eyes pain me
<0> anyone know where to download twinview?
<4> ask #nvidia ?
<2> ok thanks ill give it a shot
<7> !tell evilgeek about backports
<0> abrotman lol well tried noone responding or talking
<7> !tell evilgeek about simple sid backport
<7> is there a way to do this in private?
<9> eveilgeek: yes....
<10> hum, why can't I manage to ls -ld /full/path/dir but ls -ld */ works for current PWD? (I want to print only directory's)
<7> onetinsoldier: how?
<9> eveilgeek: just do a /msg dpkg <item> ..then just talk to dpkg in the 'dpkg' channel window that appears after doing that
<7> oh.
<11> Sweet, the new evdev driver works
<11> I wonder if I'm free from the tyranny of udev now
<12> gravity_: eh? is that for keyboard, mouse, joystick, and/or what?
<11> peterS: I'm just running it for the mouse currently
<11> I may switch over for keyboard too
<12> evdev supports all input devices the kernel does, so I wondered about the scope of the X driver
<11> Yeah, it explicitly handles keyboard and mouse. Not sure about the others, they may just not be documented in the manpage yet
<11> The driver is kinda nuts, but the default example works great
<12> well, auxilliary input devices aren't handled by the X core anyway, but by XInput. IIRC. so probably the evdev driver restricts its scope to keyboard + mouse
<11> Ah
<12> does it claim to support hotplug?
<11> Yes, aiui
<11> Although true Xserver hotplugging isn't here yet. Soon, hopefully for 7.2
<12> evdev isn't like mousedev - with mousedev you just open /dev/input/mice and the kernel does all the hotplug magic for you. with evdev you're kind of on your own for that
<13> I'm thinking of dual booting my desktop with windows xp to play about with it, since someone handed me an oem copy they don't need, but want to consider virtualisation first. Would it be possible to use Xen to run it instead?
<14> how can I enlarge the image in mplayer?
<15> Hi everyone. I've a couple of questions about a new USRobotics gigabit card I just got, and debian isn't recognizing it.
<15> I just read that vanilla-kernel-source 2.6.13-rc1 added support to it. Could anyone guide me to the right direction? I'm using kernel 2.4 right now
<9> Kodek: what version of debian are you using? sarge? etch?
<15> sarge.
<15> onetinsoldier, I want to upgrade the kernel, but this box is headless, so if I screw up, it's gonna be a pain to get it working again :(
<12> KodeK: I can verify whether this is true, about support for the card, if you have the machine powered up right now. run this: lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}'
<12> KodeK: it should spit out xxxx:yyyy, we can use those numbers to determine whether new kernels do or do not support the chip
<15> It did.
<15> Well, I was reading a mailing list and it said that "vanilla-kernel-source 2.6.13-rc1" added support for it.
<12> KodeK: for example if it says 16ec:0116, that one is supported
<15> I have two, 16ec:0116
<15> 10ec:8139



<12> yeah, the 8139 is supported in all kernels since the beginning of time
<15> I have two NICS in that machine. One's the one I'm using to ssh into it. The other one shows up as a US Robotics card, but unknown at the same time.
<15> 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: U.S. Robotics: Unknown device 0116 (rev 10)
<12> yeah, that one's supported in 2.6.16, so your information is probably correct
<15> Let me know if I go overboard on the copy/pasting, please :D
<15> So what's the easiest way to go from 2.4 to 2.6.16?
<15> Not the easiest way; the safest way :)
<12> anyway. you should be able to get a newer kernel that works with sarge, from backports.org. I don't know the details on what all you need
<15> Let's just say that the last time I tried upgrading my kernel, I had to reinstall the whole OS. Heh.
<12> and yes, I just verified that your new card is _not_ supported in 2.6.8, which is what sarge ships with
<15> It probably wasn't necessary, but I come from a Windows world, where the easy way out is a reinstall :D
<12> heh
<16> KodeK, I'll second that
<15> Haha
<16> windows is a pain all together though
<15> Hmm, let's just say that it's different :)
<15> very different
<15> So, would you guys know where I could find info for a safe kernel upgrade?
<16> !tell KodeK about sarge upgrade kernel
<15> Thanks :D
<15> I'll try that. Thank you :)
<16> anytime
<12> KodeK: note, the line our bot just fed you isn't really helpful in your case
<17> Is None synonymous with False when used as a test case in an if statement?
<15> oh, and will that grab the latest release?
<12> cshaman: in what language?
<12> KodeK: it'll grab what is in sarge - which is 2.6.8 - which doesn't have the updated r8169 driver that you need
<15> :(
<17> peterS: I apologize, I thought I my #python window was still open.
<12> ahh
<16> peterS: is there a way he can grab the etch kernel then?
<12> ic3man05: he could but that requires other updated packages from etch. he wants backports.org probably
<12> KodeK: http://backports.org/package.php?search=linux-image gives some instructions
<16> ok
<15> Thank you.
<12> KodeK: well, not very good instructions. the lines at the bottom show what to put in /etc/apt/preferences but you have to look elsewhere on the site for what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list
<15> Hmm, I think this is going to get confusing. Will just upgrading to etch be easier?
<18> cshaman: None and False are both false, but "None == False" is false, and "None is False" is also false
<17> Dwonis: I just love Python :)
<15> Be right back.
<9> KodeK: well, i was going to ask if just blowing sarge away and installing etch from scratch was a possibilty for you
<12> KodeK: well, one thing you might do is to add etch to /etc/apt/sources.list and then just install linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 or similar, see what else it wants to upgrade in the process
<15> onetinsoldier, yeah, it could be. One sec though.
<18> cshaman: It's not really that complicated. See http://www.python.org/doc/current/ref/Booleans.html#Booleans
<18> cshaman: "In the context of Boolean operations, and also when expressions are used by control flow statements, the following values are interpreted as false ... "
<9> KodeK: you could dist-upgrade to etch, but sometimes that can be a little messy. but it's usually doable
<19> hey i figured out what my problem is!
<19> the only kernel modules I have are for linux2.6 and I was using linux2.4 thats why iso9660 isn't recognised
<19> :)
<9> ah-ha
<19> now if only i could use linux2.6
<19> ...
<20> I've installed grome...
<20> How do I start it?
<9> you mean gnome?
<21> !.xsession
<22> hmm... .xsession is : see the "xsession" entry, and/or startx(1)
<21> !xsession
<22> from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
<23> PestPete: echo "gnome-session" > ~/.xsession
<23> PestPete: Then startx
<18> "simonrvn is now known as SimonRaven" ... but everyone just calls him "the geek formerly known as simonrvn"
<21> hehe
<20> Agh pastebin
<24> ;p
<18> heh
<24> yay, xfce4 stuff borked
<9> simonrvn: ???
<25> Hey guys, I'm having problems using vi through SSH
<25> I'm SSHing in with putty (Windows) and for some reason it's acting really dodgy.
<25> Especially when I use the # symbol
<24> dpkg: you don't have a memory, you have a database you silly bot
<18> jbrimble: "dodgy"... is that the technical term?
<20> gravity, startx doesn't work, No such file or dir


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