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<0> nn-: And, believe it or not, Solaris/SPARC is by far the dominant UNIX platform :\
<1> pipeline: we run sparc on all our computer science machines
<1> I believe you
<2> how am I connected to my linksys but i still cannot ping bbc.co.uk?
<3> bird: ping a known ip address to see that dns is not failing
<3> eg: my ip 80.34.99.37
<1> 212.58.226.53 <---- BBC
<1> ping -i 0 80.34.99.37
<1> >:)
<2> distination host unreachable
<1> BiRD: can you reach the other ip?
<2> let me see
<4> BiRD: "route" and check if you have a entry "default"
<2> route returns destination 192.168.1.0 and default both for Iface eth0 and 192.168.1.0 for ath0
<2> wols_:
<5> BiRD: are you sure those shouldn't be 192.168.1.1? can you ping 192.168.1.0?
<4> BiRD: does your linksys have a defaultroute? can you ping that IP your linksys connects to/uses as default?
<5> wait
<5> i'll bet he has a network and no default gw
<6> vin`, i installed rox-filer and idesk, and now my mouse buttons don't work on the desktop. how can i refresh xfce without loggint out?
<7> suyog: it's been a while, unsure.
<2> stew: able to ping 192.168.1.0
<5> BiRD: do any of the entries in "route -n" have the G flag, or do they all only have the U flag?
<6> ah, okay. i better log out and back
<7> suyog: run screen so you stay connected.
<5> BiRD: when you ping 192.168.1.0 do you get a reply from 192.168.1.0 or 192.168.1.1?
<2> stew: G flag on defaulth for eth0
<5> BiRD: where is the reply from?
<8> wols : did i send this link to you? http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww1203.htm#1.1
<9> BiRD, you have a netmask of 255.255.255.0?
<2> edibletext: yes
<9> if you do 192.168.1.0 is network id
<4> weasel00: yes and it timed out. will try again
<2> stew: 192.168.1.107
<5> probably
<9> BiRD, and shouldnt be a gateway
<5> BiRD: yeeh then you are pinging the network, your gateway must be some other address, possibly 192.168.1.107 possibly 192.168.1.1
<8> wols_ : try just the www.etforecasts.com and see if you can navigate to it
<2> edibletext: gateway is *
<10> the address of your router
<5> * is not an ip address
<4> weasel00: I can. but those are unit numbers right?
<11> BiRD: do you only have one route entry?
<9> BiRD, did you configure dhcp on your gate way or is it provided by a CPE or soho 'router'
<9> gate\ way/gateway
<2> edibletext: i did not config dhcp on my gateway it must be provided
<8> wols_ : In 1975 less than 50,000 PCs were sold with a value of about $60M. From this limited start the PC industry has grown to unit sales exceeding 128M units per year and revenues surp***ing $225B in 2002.
<1> 813
<12> two ops.
<1> your bean couter's wrong
<9> BiRD, ok..
<12> Irssi: #debian: Total of 815 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 813 normal]
<12> and piernik just left, and amee2k just left
<10> Shadowcat is that your area code
<8> wols_ : The number of PCs in-use surp***ed 500M units in 2000 and will reach 1.17B units by year-end 2008. Cumulative PC sales topped 1B units in 2002 and will top 2B in 2008. PCs in-use reached nearly 206M in the U.S. in 2002 and will surp*** 269M in 2008.
<12> Anyhow, I am actually here for a question. Has anyone done a deb of xscrabble? No-body seems to be able to find it in apt-get for stable/unstable.
<4> weasel00: from the gartner link of shipments in 2005 it seemed the server market was roughly 20billion
<8> wols_ : granted this written in 2002. but its best thing thing i could find in a few seconds
<4> http://www.gartner.com/press_releases/***et_145643_11.html table1
<2> edibletext: How can I manually set the gateway in route?
<4> weasel00: I'm a dumb***. HP was the biggest and total is 51billion. sorry
<4> BiRD: yes
<8> wols_ : was gonna say lol
<5> BiRD: if you are using DHCP you can try "/etc/init.d/networking restart" which might fix things up. otherwise you'll have to show us your /etc/network/interfaces
<4> route add default gw <ip>
<2> stew: brb
<2> stew: wols_: EdibleText: thank you three very much it is up and running now I could not have done it without cha!
<13> why ff 1.5.0.1 (installed to ~/firefox/) is ignoring some values from ~/.mozilla/firefox/[profile-dir]/prefs.js and deleting them from file? prefs.js wasn't edited manually.
<14> is it possible to 'find' by creation date?
<14> ie. I want to find the most recent files first.
<15> man find ?
<14> abrotman: I don't have man installed yet.
<14> abrotman: just kidding.
<12> oh. There are several sites with man pages.
<14> duh.
<12> yeesh. but yes. atime/ctime/mtime, I think
<14> why didn't I think of that... I know! I can't read.
<15> beered: TBH .. i don't see any "creation" in stat <file>
<15> beered: but i don't know if taht means anything
<16> -ctime?
<12> abrotman: you won't generally.
<15> nope
<4> abrotman: ctime should be it
<15> -ctime n
<15> File's status was last changed n*24 hours ago.
<15> whatever "status" is
<4> doh
<12> I've got Access,Modify,Change
<14> phogg: yep, that's it. Thanks.
<15> but not creation
<17> anything more than frobbing the inode reference I think
<15> beered: -ctime is NOT it
<16> beered: that is not it
<12> Change is about as close as you'll get.
<15> wtf is the difference between "Change" and "Modify" ?
<14> phogg: find . * -ctime 24 worked out fo rme.
<5> *?
<16> beered: it may have worked but it is not doing what you asked
<18> How do I run newaliases to make a new aliases.db?
<18> I can't seem to as normal user or root.
<14> This is an interesting problem.
<19> abrotman: iirc the manpage specifies it. modify = chmod etc, change = content change. or something like that.
<12> ahhh.
<12> so once you've changed the content, you've then lostthe original creation date.
<19> man find or info find should know
<16> I think ctime will be create time also if the file has never been mv'd (or at least if the 'inode details' have never changed)
<12> phogg: which means you've never changed its size more than a block's worth.
<12> ... theoretically.
<16> Viking667: most likely, yes
<20> from info for find : There is no timestamp that indicates when a file was _created_.
<12> Anyhow people, has anyone seen xscrabble in ANY deb repository?
<21> hey
<14> that's crazy.
<21> what's the best way to get modular X on debian?
<16> so is a lack of a create time just a tradition or is there some reason not to have it? If a newer filesystem added it, how could I tell?
<22> DangerDen: on which release?
<21> chealer: sarge 3.1
<12> phogg: that would be dependant upon the filesystem, I suspect.
<14> so, there is no way to find files by modified date? Let's say I need to find any file that was modified in the last 8 hours.
<12> beered: -mtime/-atime
<22> DangerDen: I don't know...is there any reason you want modular X?
<5> DangerDen: wait for it to hit unstable, and then wait for someone to backport it to sarge and upload it to backports.org
<20> beered: thought you were looking fore created time
<21> stew: there isn't any way for me to get it now
<17> it seems ext2 actually stores the creation time in the inodes
<14> fugit_: yes, I was but I guess that isn't possible to the modified time is the next best thing.
<21> stew: it's in the experimental repository but when i try to apt-get it, it says package not found
<17> regular Unix tools are not able to read/use it
<5> DangerDen: you can't install those packages on stable anyway
<21> stew: i dont want to install them stable
<8> !dhcpd
<17> weasel00: please /msg the bot
<8> my bad
<21> does apt-get -t work with experimental packages?
<5> DangerDen: experimental isn't supported here, and you really don't want to install experimental packages on a debian stable system
<5> DangerDen: they are not compiled with libs compatible with your system
<21> stew: so you're not gonna help me?
<5> DangerDen: i'm trying the best i can
<14> Once upon the time I used apt-get to get a kernel 2.6.11 and 2.6.8. I've moved on since then, but now everytime I run 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' I get those kernel's and kernel headers. Is there a way to remove the old kernel from the apt database?
<5> DangerDen: the packages you are looking for don't exist
<21> stew: what do you mean
<17> DangerDen: why do you need 7.0 rather than 6.9?
<16> seems like jfs has a create time... but still don't know how to access it
<23> DangerDen: Listen to stew. He knows what he's talking about.
<5> DangerDen: there are no modular xorg packages for debian stable
<21> stew: i know..
<24> phogg: stat(1) ??
<5> DangerDen: don't know how else to say it
<21> stew: that's why i want experimental
<16> Bucciarati: stat does not do it
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