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<0> args
<0> eleftherios: unfortunately it doesn't work with sarges gcj/gij
<1> and I'm not a gnome fan at all
<0> eleftherios: of course ou can. just don't install -base
<2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86#History
<3> _rene_, so SUN got its way and now we have to install their software if we want OOo
<3> ?
<0> eleftherios: "openoffice.org" is just a dummy package depending on writer, calc, draw, etc..
<4> Seven_Six_Two: sudo is stupid for home users, IMO. it's better when you actually need a security policy.
<5> _rene_: did you answer me the other day about pyuno requiring X ?
<0> eleftherios: they always did. thankfully, on sid we can use gij
<1> Laibsch: and i like the slightly more conservative release cycles
<6> so to save you all alot of questions, testing is basically all up-to-date almost bleeding edge stuff, but since there's lots of backports you can have anything on it?
<4> eleftherios: OOo uses jdbc
<1> :-o
<0> eleftherios: if you don't need -base, just don't install -base and be happy
<4> eleftherios: and therefore requires sun's java
<3> _rene_, I just need Writer
<0> SerajewelKS: it's even worse....
<7> Seven_Six_Two: OK, I also don't like gnome or KDE for that matter. But I guess you could also get icewm or XFCE
<8> libervisco: testing is like a 2 week old bleeding edge stuff
<0> eleftherios: then just install writer.
<3> _rene_, thank you
<4> _rene_: what's worse than what
<7> Seven_Six_Two: About sudo, I have no personal experience
<0> SerajewelKS: there's so many pieces in OOo needing some Java...
<3> SerajewelKS, thank you too
<4> eleftherios: no problem
<0> at least it works with ibm and gcj/gij >= 4.0.2...
<6> deadcat, alright, sounds cool.. I think I'll give it a spin then with minimal base install
<0> on sid we can use free Java
<0> but not on sarge...
<4> _rene_: well some things are hard to write portably.. java eases that i would imagine
<0> SerajewelKS: ROTFL
<4> _rene_: i'm still waiting to see some office suite that runs on CLR
<5> jjazz: we don't need no steenken Damon :)
<0> SerajewelKS: that's a joke I haven't heard long ago...
<4> _rene_: *cough* for example, a database connectivity kit
<0> SerajewelKS: there's odbc....
<4> _rene_: doesn't odbc require different vendor drivers per platform?
<0> anyway. have more interesting stuff to do than to discuss suns crappiness...
<5> i guess that was a no
<0> abrotman: nope, iirc not, but I don't think so
<0> abrotman: but it wouldn't surprise me if it did
<0> abrotman: if it does, you might want to work around it with using xvfb
<5> _rene_: if i get back to it . i'm sure you'll see me more .. but it seems that something wants to actually open a window when i run scripts
<5> _rene_: tried .. with -headless -invisible .. still whines
<9> yay, time to mess with build dependencies
<10> what's the difference between the p***word field in a /etc/shadow entry being "*" or "!"?
<4> Amarande: apt-get build-dep packagename
<5> _rene_: like .. xvfb-run ooffice -headless -invisible .. and it still whines about no display
<9> thing is, I don't have an actual source -package-
<9> I have a .dsc, a diff.gz, and a tar.gz
<4> Amarande: apt-get install the packages it's complaining about then
<11> Amarande: That *is* a source package
<11> Amarande: though when you "apt-get source <packagename>", it should've automatically unpacked the .tar.gz and applied the patch, so you'd have a subdirectory containing the source tree
<0> abrotman: try with -a
<9> In any case, I'm trying to figure out how to get an XFree86 4.3 fglrx driver.
<4> which reminds me, firefox in sid does not build
<9> It looks like the packages are for xorg.
<9> And somehow I DON'T think I can just install the xorg server ...
<11> Amarande: There's an xorg backport for sarge
<9> ATI supports XFree86 4.3, so it should be possible
<9> but I'm not entirely sure how
<9> would running the .run work, or is that going to just pollute the whole system
<11> Amarande: Don't do that
<12> is debian for alpha a true 64 bit debian?
<11> Amarande: It'd be simplest to just install the xorg sarge backport, and use the fglrx-driver from unstable
<11> Amarande: (or maybe a backport of fglrx-driver too, if one exists)
<5> _rene_: nope .. doesn't work either .. but i'll stop h***ling you tonight ..
<0> abrotman: you mean "this morning" ;-) (1:18 am)
<13> is there a gui for making .deb package files from source files?
<14> no
<0> insomnd: nope. thankfully not.
<9> or would I be better served by scrapping my entire install, formatting, and installing from etch instead
<5> _rene_: hey .. i'm not lucky enough to live in europe :)
<13> _rene_, lol... why thankfully?
<15> insomnd: xterm :p
<16> gn
<13> ok
<11> Amarande: Have you read anything I've said?
<9> It seems that Debian is not really the distribution for those with new hardware
<9> yeah, I am.
<0> insomnd: because that would envourage more people to create crappy debs
<17> insomnd: the process wouldn't easily translate to a GUI
<13> _rene_, Supaplex : any recommended readings?
<11> Amarande: Install the xorg backport, and then install fglrx-driver for that
<0> insomnd: not to mention packaging is different from app to app.
<11> Amarande: And in this case your issue isn't "new hardware", it's "hardware with non-free drivers"
<15> insomnd: debian wiki, man pages for apt-get apt-cache aptitude dpkg
<18> what package would iwconfig be in
<9> By the way, is the DRI project still going, or did they quit after Radeon 9200?
<13> drp, iwtools?
<4> !find /iwconfig
<0> drp: use your tools luke
<15> drp: apt-file search iwconfig
<0> drp: in this case, apt-file
<19> Debian Search of '/iwconfig' (1): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools.
<4> drp: ^^^
<1> 9200=8500
<9> Wyzard: Also, if I use backports, will the security.debian.org source be able to update them, or will I have to constantly read bugtraq?
<20> Anyone know of a good way to convert mp4(m4a) to mp3?
<9> I think that's what's really starting to get me concerned.
<11> Amarande: Most likely, the backport would be updated too... the website that distributes the backport might have info on that
<1> Jazbo: mjpeg tools?
<9> I'm getting an increasingly large number of packages that don't go with the base sarge distribution at all, and I'm starting to wonder if eventually I stand to get owned due to a lack of security updates for something or other.
<21> me to
<9> And finally, do I need to remove xfree86 before installing xorg?
<11> Amarande: That'll happen automatically -- xorg conflicts with xfree86
<9> Ahh. I always got the impression that conflicting packages resulted in refusal of the newer one to install.
<9> Speaking of which, will it also screw up the deps for X applications under sarge?
<11> Amarande: Only if the older one can't be removed due to dependencies of other things on it... but xfree86->xorg should be OK because xorg satisfies all the same dependencies that xfree86 does
<9> I also suppose I need EVERY PACKAGE in the xorg-x11 directory.
<18> Supaplex: yeah it's not finding anything
<11> Amarande: Are you downloading .deb files manually or something
<9> wyzard: I was about to, actually.
<9> As I did with the kernel image debs earlier.
<9> Is there a way to make backports.org visible to apt as a source?
<9> I tried clicking the FAQ link there, which gives a helpful 404 saying it's not finished yet. :)
<22> anybody have a problem with gconf starting with some recent upgrade?
<11> Amarande: There is, though I don't know exactly what it is (as I run unstable and therefore don't use backports)
<23> Amarande, http://www.backports.org/instructions.html
<24> sort of off topic
<24> but does anyone know what it means if it just sits there at "looking up your hostname" when signing onto freenode?
<11> herbi: That's doing reverse DNS on your IP address, I believe... the DNS server is probably being slow to respond
<21> server down
<23> mpeg2 multiplexer for Debian?
<21> O
<15> does grub-install /dev/hda take more then 30 seconds to operate?
<11> Supaplex: Only if grub goes looking for floppy drives as part of its effort to map out what bootable devices you have... for some reason the floppy probe takes a long time
<11> Supaplex: If you run grub directly you get a warning message about that, but I think the grub-install script suppresses it
<25> hi all, any idea on how to make a route go somewhere similar to Cisco's null0? would it be ok to just "route add -host" through some gateway that i have no route for?
<15> B0ZNACU: why not firewall it with iptables?
<26> what is the name of the package that allow and adds xdmcp(sp?) to the main login screen under sessions?
<15> Amarande: use screen. :-D
<25> Supaplex: not that it wouldn't work blocking it using iptables but i'm sure i've seen such a setup about 2 years ago and i don't remember how it was...
<9> btw
<22> ahhh... answered my own question
<9> which package name should I ask for if I want it to install the whole xorg backport thing in one fell swoop?
<22> gnome settings daemon broken with evdev; http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323724
<9> there's a few zillion packages, and I'm not quite sure which is which.
<11> B0ZNACU: There's a "dummy" driver which gives you a dummy0 interface that's a bit-bucket
<23> Amarande, apt-get -t sarge-backports install xserver-xorg
<11> B0ZNACU: But iptables would be the preferred way to ignore packets destined to a particular address
<9> I'm also supposing once etch becomes stable, I should expect things to break if I try to dist-upgrade to it.
<11> Supaplex: Cancel it and run it again with "--no-floppy"
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