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<0> Ubunut releases are basically snapshots of sid with some stabilization work done and further features added
<1> really?
<2> I'm not sure about your question though, I've only chrooted a couple of times
<0> They're not "stable" releases in the sense of Debian's stable release process, but they're decent if you want a more up-to-date desktop system
<3> Wyzard: sounds you are an expert of ubuntu?
<4> i recommend ubuntu to new users, and when they ask me for help. i say.. i dont know, i dont use ubuntu (=
<0> I wouldn't want to put Ubuntu on a server
<5> I agree..
<6> I'm no ubuntu expert, but even I know that
<0> streuner: Not an expert, but I've used it a bit
<7> jugheadtn i always forget
<5> Ubuntu is my pick for newish users wanting to use linux
<5> :)
<1> well, wyzard, i used ubuntu for a month or two, i'm a home user and i really like linux
<1> do you think i should make the move to debian?
<8> hi guys, I am under KDE, and I using Konqueror to veiw webpage... and there is a page without link but with javascritp:void(0) insted... and when I click on it, nothing hapen... what should I do to activate this link??? maybe I should install a package about javascript???
<9> Oboro: Ubuntu seems pretty well geared for home users
<7> jugheadtn might be chmod
<0> Ubuntu's biggest drawback is its horribly ugly brown default theme :-)
<9> Oboro: If you're on a laptop, Ubuntu has better hardware detection, although Debian isn't far behind these days.
<3> How the hell can you know that for EVERY single package then? :-)
<2> yeah that's the one I've used
<1> i'm not on a laptop
<10> Wyzard: and everyone knows the default theme is the most important thing any OS can have
<11> eh, it's not bad. earthy tones are relaxing
<2> what do you want to do with the .run file spermite?
<12> yeah, even pure sid would probably run better on this box than Windows XP did ... heh
<1> but i mean, would you recommend ubuntu over debian for home users?
<13> linoleum, I think it is some javascript that konqeror doe not uunderstand
<14> I actually like the brown :)
<13> try with another browser
<15> Can anyone get to mozilla.com?
<14> But i do miss the pretty girsl
<9> Oboro: Ubuntu does a little more setup for you, whereas Debian gives you more choice and trusts you to know what you're doing
<14> girls*
<16> wow
<3> Wyzard: read what A. Towns said about
<16> :))
<17> Oboro: just try Debian, if you think it's too rough, try Ubuntu
<1> i mean, if i delt with ubuntu, shouldn't i be able to deal with debian?
<1> already did ubuntu
<17> Oboro: probably
<11> Oboro: for newbies sure. debian is more hard core, IME
<12> Oboro: Also make sure you download both the Etch and Sarge installation ISOs.
<1> that's why i think of moving to the real deal
<17> Oboro: you will have to try it out
<0> streuner: About what?
<1> how many cds is it?
<12> You may want the etch kernel packages handy if you have trouble, like I did.
<7> jugheadtn its a doom3 installer. i need to chmod -x then ./ it i think
<8> qalim: yes , there is a little but on the page, and konqueror tells me that there is errors on the webpage ... but I still would like to be able to read it , as my friends under windows do :)
<18> holy hell, that's like 30 CDs isn't it Amarande ?
<3> Wyzard: packages in ubuntu and debian
<12> grandma: I only got the netinst's
<12> those are 1 disc each
<18> ah, that's all i use
<18> netinst
<4> netinstall is 34MB
<16> i am trying to install debian 3.1 and it doesn`t recognize my hdd becouse it`s sata. i don`t see any other option to add a driver or something when i boot from the cd. is there a way i can sove this?
<16> solve *
<0> streuner: I know there are differences, and I know there are occasional battles about the way Ubuntu's changes are contributed back to Debian
<12> I had to get the etch ISO too though since the sarge 2.6 kernel has bugs in e1000 that are exercised by my particular eth card (of course. Doesn't Murphy's Law guarantee this anyway ... :)
<19> boot 2.6 kernel
<12> Murphy's Law of Bugs.
<12> If there are bugs, they will be ones that actually affect your computer. :)
<19> forbiden it defaults 2.4 series
<13> linoleum, are you a troll ?
<2> the .run isn't already +x?
<19> boot the 2.6 kernel
<20> deadcat: that -layout trick works nicely.. i set up a clone lcd+tv layout and a single lcd 1280x1024 layout for games
<13> if not use firefox
<11> linux26 or whatever
<16> aha
<16> thanks
<19> yup
<6> Wyzard: They don't really contribute changes back. Changes are pulled back by Debian, the same way they're pulled from anywhere else
<1> debian looks more customizable (sp)
<4> SerajewelKS: same here. very nice.
<12> linoleum: if it's weird javascript that doesn't work on linux ...
<4> SerajewelKS: but i dont know how to do it for ati cards yet though.
<20> deadcat: plus i learned more how X works
<12> your Windows friends probably view it as something like "Thank you, Cool Web Search is now installed" :)
<4> SerajewelKS: (=
<21> ok how do i get windows to connect to the samba server accross the internet?
<0> gravity: But they make the changes available on their website and consider that to be contributing... hence the arguments :-)
<8> qalim: why should I be me a troll man, I am always telling my friend that linux rules, and now I can't read a link that they can do under their I.E 5 !! well that's obviously not my fault
<3> SimonRaven: and how you come to the conclusion ubuntu would be easier for newbies? That's crap
<6> Wyzard: Right
<1> i mean, you can choose a desktop env. or a webserver etc. on the installation process
<12> streuner: many people think Windows is easier for newbies :)
<1> it sounds nice
<4> DragonD: you sure no firewall blocking? ping port 135 or 139 or something
<22> hi
<0> linoleum: Complain to the site that it's using nonstandard IE-specific JavaScript stuff
<11> *yawn*. to each their own
<12> Heck, I'm a seasoned computer veteran, and I gave up on trying to get XP to work with this box. :)
<1> cuz i wanna have control over it and not letting it install loads of packages
<12> There's no hardware problems ... just seems that XP hates it for some reason.
<3> SimonRaven: fact is, that there aren't better tools, these DD's didn't invent much more new...
<1> what's "exim"?
<4> Oboro: mta
<12> I think Microsoft needs to release new versions of Windows more often, actually.
<12> Oboro: it's used for sending and receiving mail
<9> Oboro: It's a mail transfer agent
<11> 1) don't put words in my mouth 2) IWNBT
<0> Amarande: I used to have a SCSI card that worked perfectly in Linux, but would reliably bluescreen Windows (2000, XP, and 2003) just by being installed
<4> Amarande: ya. and people bitch about debian releases (=
<23> i just crippeled the mta configuration and the setup module doesn't restart. how can i re-run it manually after i cleaned up the config file mess?
<21> deadcat: pritty sure.
<24> I think MS should die, actually :>
<4> DragonD: whats the ip?
<12> depending on your particular setup, you may not need it to send, since your mail client may handle sending on its own
<1> ok the installation screenshots looks exactly like ubuntu's
<8> Wyzard: it's a google web page made : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521044027821122670
<12> but if you use, e.g., fetchmail to get your mail, you may need it for receiving
<11> amee2k: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
<4> Oboro: we dont want to know your step by step
<12> also some programs on the local machine may need to send mail to local users, and you need an MTA for that, too.
<25> EhEOUh
<9> Oboro: It's basically the same. Debian asks you a couple more questions, but aside from that it's the same drill.
<23> thx
<1> sorry, i'm not installating, just looking at screenshots
<25> no isakmpd users in here ? who perhaps gotten an extra device to pop up ?
<11> Oboro: yes, since ubuntu pulled "their" installer from debian
<25> the tunnel is working though
<12> Wyzard: Well, I'm still entirely drawing a blank on what Windows hates.
<9> Oboro: But, when you emerge on the other end of it, you'll have fewer packages installed.
<0> linoleum: Oh... I don't use Google Video myself but I'm pretty sure I've seen my brother using it in Debian... I believe it requires Flash, and that might be the component you don't have
<1> well, it can be a good thing, can't it?
<9> Oboro: Sure.
<1> why let it install loads of stuff i dont' even need?
<12> I know it didn't like software that installed via InstallShield version 6 very much, and it definitely didn't want me to have my ATI video drivers.
<26> How do i recursivly tar up .txt files (skipping the other types) ?
<12> By the way, why did my monitor lose capability recently?
<21> deadcat: ok i just tried "telnet" to connect fomr my windows computer to my samba server on ports 135 139, 139 timedout 135 was refused.. but my firewall is disabled and my router was set to this computer in the dmz...
<21> any other ideas?
<12> Before I got an X1600, I could always run it at 85 Hz vertical refresh.
<4> DragonD: whats the ip
<8> ok wyzard . well I'm going to see for flash package.. but I have already installed one, but it seems to not working very well
<21> 209.190.4.34
<27> jason
<12> Now I can get only 75, and sometimes it defaults to 60.
<26> lpb: ?
<28> Do I lose any features by using libncursesw5-dev instead of libncurses5-dev?
<24> Amarande: configure your X server properly :>
<0> linoleum: "flashplugin-nonfree" is the name of the package... as the name implies, you need non-free in your sources.list
<12> Yeah, that reminds me, I need to see what it takes to get the ATI X server installed.
<27> jason: find . -name "*.txt" -exec tar ...... '{}' \;
<6> Amarande: s/server/driver/
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