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<0> all they do is fit in a socket that takes 64 bit cpus
<1> Guerin: he said he had no signal
<2> jm_: ahh, but if I run a 64bit distribution, then I'm "locked in" and can only run 64Bit apps (unless I reformat I guess)?
<1> Guerin: you just kept on repeating that !anyone uses thing
<3> /lastlog -clear
<4> JohnCC: corrrect, you can also install 32bit chroot, but it takes more space
<5> azeem: he didn't give the ACTUAL error message until I did it again.
<6> Guerin: maybe because that was the actual error message?
<5> anyway, I don't give much of a ****
<2> valdyn: www.canadacomputers.com -> go to computer systems and look at the first one (web surfer S2800)
<1> Guerin: fine, /ignore him
<1> aethera_: you could ignore Guerin, too, btw
<6> thanks azeem
<7> hi all
<8> someone got a clue how to reamove an raid1 ?
<3> xored: sawzall/tigersaw
<3> doesnt matter what size screws you used with one of those or what head is on them for that matter
<1> nvz: what is that supposed to mean?
<3> azeem: you can remove anything with a tigersaw man
<1> nvz: how is that helpful here?
<1> nvz: if you do not want to be helpful, talk in #debian-offtopic, please
<0> JohnCC: i dont trust vendors labeling, going to look at amd.com though
<8> nvz: how funny ...
<7> when i updated from testing to unstable - should i have changed from deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
<1> Rus: there's no security support for unstable
<7> to deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main
<1> so there's no use to change that
<7> in sources.list
<3> Rus: testing and unstable dont have security updates
<1> nvz: uhm, testing has
<9> nvz: testing does
<9> nvz: /msg dpkg testing security
<0> JohnCC: amd knows nothing about a Sempron64 product
<3> azeem: still has security?
<1> still?
<3> I thought that was a temporrary thing
<7> nvz: thanx it didnt say that in man sources.list
<6> azeem: i think I found something
<10> valdyn JohnCC there's no such thing as sempron64
<1> nvz: you were wrong, then
<3> Rus: no doubt.
<0> fireba11: yea that's what im trying to tell )
<2> valdyn fireba11: I guess that should make me think twice about buying from them if they're putting an imaginary processor into it, eh? :-)
<4> valdyn: the same name is used for it ...
<3> when man starts using rss or something to make live manpages and we got people sitting around updating them all the time they probably wont know anything new
<7> another thing to get acces to all debian packages is it deb ftp://ftp.ru.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free free non-us
<3> should setup a manpage wiki and make a backend for man to access it or something
<8> i just changed a HDD to get a larger raid1. My old raid /dev/md0 should no be removed, so that i can recreate a new, bigger raid. Someoone can tell me how to delete the old one ? I just stopped it with -S , then mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level - n2 /dev/hde12 /dev/hde5 -> then he syncs but shos me the old size
<7> or without the free non-us
<3> Rus: there is no non-us, never really was
<1> nvz: ugh
<0> jm_: if you can show me a 64bit capable sempron on amd.com ill believe you
<1> Rus: there's no free either
<3> azeem: what? that was ages ago and it had what like 2 packages?
<1> "never was"
<1> it *was* huge
<3> azeem: oh, well I dont remember then..
<1> nvz: anyway, you are right insofar as it was another server and not a component like contrib or non-free
<7> free is in main right?
<1> Rus: there is no "free"
<1> in technical terms
<1> but if you want, free is in main, yes
<7> :)
<3> Rus: main is the mainstream dfsg compliant debian archives :)
<11> in C++, cl*** Cl***Name; or cl*** cl***_name; ?
<12> Why not ask #c++?
<3> Rus: contrib is stuff that depends on non-dfsg stuff to work, and non-free is just stuff that doesnt comply
<2> xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050610112405.html
<11> resiak, I am
<12> s/depends on/& or recommends/
<11> resiak, no reply
<12> !they don't know
<13> Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to h***le US with your problems. Go try Google.
<14> threat: There's no standard way to handle it. Also, C++ ****s.
<7> I see
<12> threat: The answer is "it's up to you."
<11> dpkg, :P
<13> i heard p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
<11> pipeline, you ****
<7> thanx again
<11> resiak, ok
<3> Rus: like the 'free' emulators for 'non-free' games are contrib, or the packages that install java or flash for you from their respective non-free vendors are contrib
<3> actually I think those are non-free
<2> tomshardware.com/2005/08/01/a_dissatifying_compromise_with_amd/
<15> nvz: zsnes is in main
<3> I think someone should throw a policy card at me
<15> nvz: it only goes in contrib if it *requires* a non-free package
<4> valdyn: now that's a good challenge
<15> nvz: emulators don't go in contrib because they can be used with free roms, but more directly because they don't depend on a non-free package
<0> jm_: they're really trying to hide that, but i guess i was wrong as i found information on heise.de
<4> valdyn: yeah the same with Semprons made for Socket939
<15> nvz: IMO java-package should be in main too -- you can use it with FOSS VMs
<0> SerajewelKS: like for example ?
<15> valdyn: isn't blackdown foss?
<0> SerajewelKS: no
<3> SerajewelKS: I was wondering if it would work with the wireless toolkid, J2SE or such other packages.. but probably not
<2> so, what do you guys think, would the pentium 4 505 be worth $100 more then the sempron 2800+?
<15> nvz: what do you mean
<3> SerajewelKS: like build debs for other sun installers
<0> SerajewelKS: i could be wrong, but iirc blackdown's only difference to sun's java is that it a port not done by sun itself
<3> SerajewelKS: like the sdk and the wireless toolkit for J2ME developers
<15> nvz: afaik that would violate sun's redistribution policy
<15> nvz: oh you mean have java-package build them?
<3> yes
<3> java is more than the j2re linux installer
<15> nvz: i've used java-package with the j2me sdk
<3> really?
<15> nvz: yeah, i'm pretty sure i did at some point 'cause i remember using it
<3> SerajewelKS: how high are you right now? :P
<15> nvz: i just woke up
<3> might have been a dream
<15> nvz: i don't think so ;)
<3> I dunno I guess I can try.. I didnt figure it could
<15> nvz: i might have installed to ~ too
<15> nvz: i bet that's what i did
<3> I need to setup stuff to try and make some programs for my phone.. there are quite a few things I would like to do.. mostly network applications
<9> there aren't any "me" versions in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED
<15> yeah i must have used ~ as the install root
<3> j2me looks pretty damn simple its a reall small subset of the basic java cl***es and a few custom cl***es that are vary on different hardware.
<3> stew: you use the regular sdk, and there is a "wireless toolkit" that contains dev tools, like emulators and extra stuff
<16> nobody can help me to clear my raid ?
<3> I can develop j2me cldc midp midlets for free with stuff from sun on linux.. most other dev tools I found like ones using BASIC and pascal, are windows based.. but came with full IDE's with sprite editors and all
<15> are there any utilities in debian to solve derivatives and/or integrals?
<6> how do you change the bttv tuner?
<3> I got a book on that ordered and a book on Java servlets
<15> solve e.g. simplify, not numerically solve
<6> mine loads at bttv 1
<6> bttv0: using tuner=-1
<17> maxima, R,
<18> G'morning.
<17> SerajewelKS: ^^
<15> xoz: is maxima in a package?
<18> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ....
<18> Dammit.
<19> Guys i have a sata card here running two 80gig satas in raid1, how do i get it to boot off the sata drive ?
<19> pci card
<18> I sprung for Next Day Air from Newegg so that nVidia card will get here quickly.
<19> would it be easyer just to stick in a ide disc for booting ?
<18> Well ... then I find it's coming from their NJ warehouse anyway.
<15> !info maxima
<18> Which means even 3-day or Ground would have got here the next day. :P
<17> SerajewelKS: yep... maxima and xmaxima
<18> And so I've wasted my money.
<15> xoz: dpkg doesn't know about them
<18> k31th: is your BIOS set to boot from SATA?
<15> !info maxima stable
<18> the boot drive is normally set in your BIOS, not Linux
<13> maxima: (A fairly complete computer algebra system-- base system), section math, is optional. Version: 5.9.1-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 8085 kB, Installed size: 27508 kB
<20> hi all
<17> !info maxima sid
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