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<0> abrotman, you're right.. they have quite a collection. does debian get any of that money?
<1> tuv: not sure
<1> stoned: they're unofficial and not supported
<2> besides the two facts, what else?
<3> so i just add backports.org to my sources.list and pick a new kernel, whiz bang that easy?
<2> would it break the system?
<1> stoned: possibly
<4> mmm... kernels
<2> how stable is etch? good enough to use as a desktop os?
<5> stoned: depends on what your expectations are. people trust debian stable because it's very widely tested and people work very hard to make it as good as possible before release. other stuff, from third-party places like backports.org, doesn't have that same reputation
<5> stoned: it might be just as high quality as sarge itself, it might not - probably depends on the package
<2> i see
<5> stoned: certainly in some cases it is the debian maintainer who uploads sarge ports of new stuff to backports.org. so *some* of the trust in quality may transfer.
<6> good nyght my friends !!
<1> wtf
<7> like you said, depending on the package
<7> cheery dude i guess
<8> stoned: I run a mix of testing and unstable (etch and sid), but I'm able to fix things when things occasionally go horribly wrong.
<6> i have cleints using ADSL and i need this clients to access my aplicactions in my network , i think to put vpn, how solutions is possible to resolv this in VPN ? i wolud like to find, help me please
<2> well the problem I am facing is this. I installed sarge, and I added backports repos. to get xfce4.2.3. As well as marillat and mplayer. Evertime I update, it gives me crap about gpg key for marillat. I I followed the !marillat key factoid and on the last step it hands. I thought sarge wasn't supposed to do that, since it contains apt-get < 6.0
<1> stoned: dpkg -l apt
<9> ok, so my mouse is deteted, and i can find the device entry in proc/bus/usb/devices etc.. but i cant find its /dev entry..
<9> so X wont work cause it cant find the device for my usb mouse..
<2> 0.6.43.2bpo1
<5> meriad_: it's /dev/input/mice for any USB mouse
<1> meriad_: did you load the mousedev module ?
<2> arghe!!! not good, i dunno how it happened, how can i go back to default sarge
<5> meriad_: the kernel has a mouse multiplexor and provides every mouse on that same device
<2> all i installed was xfce4.2 from backports
<10> evidently no
<10> *not
<11> stoned: just reinstall it if it is working... if all else fails wget and dpkg still work ;)
<9> peterS i know
<3> ok, so now i should get the kernel image and the headers and the source i imagine or 2.6.15
<9> peterS it doesnt werk
<9> peterS /dev/input/mice doesnt spit anything out
<1> stoned: so that apt supports keys probably
<9> peterS: but it does tell me that the device input0 is detected and such
<11> stoned: apt-list-versions can help as well.
<2> gnufan, how do i reinstall it, it works though
<5> meriad_: right, load the kernel modules 'mousedev' and 'usbhid'
<1> meriad_: did you load mousedev ?
<3> will i have the appropriate version of compiler/udev/etc to do this?
<1> to do what?
<9> peterS they are :)
<2> abrotman, it hangs i think, takes a long long long time on the last step of adding the key, and after 10 minutes i had to ctrl + c to get out o fit
<1> peterS: it is clearly sunday
<5> abrotman: that's what I'm sayin'
<1> stoned: it's waiting for something
<12> is debian the same with fedora that every 6months the version changed and after 1 year or two the old version is not supported anymore?
<13> How can I find out what the requirements are for a certain package to work? All the dependencies, and also the libs it is compiled against?
<11> stoned: did you try apt-get install apt... seem to remember that I had to remove a rogue directive when downgrading "apt", but it was all very obvious from the error messages
<9> peterS oh wait
<9> peterS oh nm
<1> qwertz: no
<1> qwertz: there is a release when it's ready
<5> meriad_: occasionally someone confuses 'mousedev' with 'usbmouse'. not at all the same thing (:
<10> qwertz: no, not at all.
<9> peterS cant find the module usbhid
<1> qwertz: currently woody( the last version of stable) is to have a year of support after sarge's release (another 6 months)
<5> meriad_: what kernel version? with earlier kernels the module was named 'hid'
<1> meriad_: uname -a
<9> peterS sweet
<9> peterS i think its working now
<9> peterS lemme try
<5> cool
<9> to start x
<5> meriad_: if you already have X running, it should not need a restart, it should start working immediately
<5> amazing but true
<3> to get the most recent kernel i need from backport.org
<9> all is well peterS
<9> peterS thaks
<5> good good
<1> orco: read the docs at backports.org
<14> abrotman: wow, even after chmoding to 777 i still can't access the folder!!
<3> i read the howto
<1> daeos: what's the error ?
<5> abrotman: you get half the credit for meriad_ there, I saw you badgering him for details he never quite remembered to give out
<15> how do I mount and read windows formatted floppys?
<1> peterS: no kidding .. "IT DOESN'T WORK" :)
<2> abrotman, which sarge iso cd# do i need in order to just install the base system etc. minimal install. I don't want to donwload 8 cds or whatever
<1> !tell TTT_Travis about vfatrw
<1> stoned: you use the netinst .. that will install the most basic system
<8> wtf?
<1> !tell stoned about cd contents
<3> unfortunately i don't know german
<5> stoned: if you don't mind downloading stuff over the net during the install you can just grab the netinst
<8> !dos floppy
<16> Opening the icmp floodgates:\n for i in `seq 0 1024`; do echo "Pinging dwonis"; ping -s dwonis"; done
<3> i'm ***uming german
<14> abrotman: the link is red unlike my working link which is light blue, and when i go to the folder on my site, its comes up as forbidden
<5> stoned: otherwise just pick the first CD image, it should have most of what you wnat
<2> peterS, I mostly always use the netinst kernel/initrd
<3> so is there another howto/faq on backports, i just google searched..
<1> daeos: on my system .. red is archives
<1> daeos: ls -l <filename> .. what is the whole line ?
<9> peterS oops one more issue, gnome isnt loading properly now.
<1> hehe
<5> meriad_: that's almost certainly unrelated
<17> anyone know how i can get "sudo gedit" to work?
<8> besides being totally unrelated to what I asked for, ping -s expects a packet size
<5> I don't gedit
<1> powder: try sux
<2> peterS, I was wondering if it was possible to construct a custom debian sarge iso, regarless of size, which contains only the packages I most often use, plus the base system, other required stuff, not an entire cd set. It is possible to make a custom cd iso somehow, so if you boot with it after burning, it will start installing debian, but it only contains the packages for that and whatever else I use, if anything else I can always tell
<2> apt to get it from repositories online.
<9> peterS maybe i should just rebooot
<1> meriad_: wait
<9> peterS can i fix all this stuff within X?
<1> meriad_: make sure you add those modules you loaded to /etc/modules
<17> abrotman, what is sux?
<9> abrotman ohh mousedev, and usbhid or whatever
<5> meriad_: you said gnome isn't working properly. how the *#^$ do you expect me to have any idea what is wrong?
<1> !tell powder about sux
<1> meriad_: hid
<8> stoned: I don't know if this is what you want, but have a look at apt-move
<5> meriad_: my car won't start, do you think I need to change the air filter?
<14> all the files within the folder are -rw-r--r--
<1> peterS: no .. try using the keys!
<9> peterS kde is workingfine
<9> hmm
<1> darn rednecks always want to pop the clutch
<8> stoned: you might be able to hijack the data from popularity-contest, as well.... or, someone else might know a simpler way
<10> well it works.
<15> what is the command to mount a vfat floppy?
<18> Hey, I've got a simple question. How would I disable xwindows from starting on init? I have xorg I believe.
<14> abrotman: ....all the files within the folder are -rw-r--r--
<5> randability: remove the 'xdm' package
<5> randability: that's the simplest way, though there are certainly others
<8> TTT_Travis: man mount
<1> daeos: use pastebin .. paste the entire process and the error
<1> TTT_Travis: /msg dpkg vfatrw
<1> TTT_Travis: mount -t auto /floppy ?
<18> peterS: If I were to remove the xdm package, how would I specify a default WM that 'startx' would execute?
<8> abrotman: It doesn't talk about the mount command itself, just /etc/fstab
<1> Dwonis: more fishing ...
<5> randability: change the /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager symlink
<8> abrotman: hence, man mount
<18> Thanks.
<10> randability: install another one; you should get asked which one you want to be default.
<18> And apparently, I don't have xdm installed
<8> randability: the best way to change the symlink in /etc/alternatives is to use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager"
<5> randability: then I wonder why X is starting up at boot time. perhaps you have gdm, kdm, wdm, or that other one?
<15> root@snoopy:/dev# mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /floppy/
<15> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
<19> When I 'lsof /var/lib/dpkg' I get: "WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev". Does lsof not support ext3?
<18> peterS: I just got rid of gdm, maybe I'll restart now.
<18> Thanks
<5> TTT_Travis: leave out the -t auto part
<1> though it should work
<18> Thanks.
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