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<0> the "My fish is in the oven." userbox on wikipedia was proposed for deletion recently. I dunno what happened.
<1> trout
<2> **** Jumps up, grabs the trout and puts its back in the river.. Another trout saved!
<3> kspath: they all do
<4> I've got an insanely stupid/newb question if anyone could help me out
<3> ok whos bot is that one?
<1> tijn__: stop that at once
<5> why are no carp used to @kill someone? they're overabundant in North America
<0> tijn__: help
<0> holy quark!
<6> Adam_: if you have an actual question, just ask it
<4> ok. I'm really new to the whole linux thing. I'm looking for a distrobution that could be my acting desktop os while letting me actually learn the OS
<7> 'distribution'
<3> Adam_: debian
<4> I'm wondering if Debian is a good choice for that...
<4> sorry
<7> s'ok :)
<4> That's what I expected, I tried vector linux but I didn't know enough about my laptop hardware to configure it
<8> Adam_: You're asking in the debian help channel... what did you expect ? ;)
<9> wow
<9> fluxbox vuela
<9> dejo a xfce4
<10> I in search of smtps and imap/imaps linux proxy. Now I'm using p3scan qho works fine in pop/pops/smtp, but no with another ?
<11> Daedalus_: an honest answer?
<0> Adam_: use debian or ubuntu. ubuntu's package management is slightly easier to use but debian's IRC channel is way better and debian grows with you better.
<12> package management is easier? funny... its the same
<13> !dkpg xorg
<4> that's what I want too, I want an OS that forms to me and what I need it for... I might use Ubuntu on my laptop because I need something that can autoconfigure my hardware though
<3> Adam_: debian can
<3> but even if it can you may want to do it yourself, no better way to learn
<13> !dpkg xorg
<4> Well, while I would like to be able to do it myself...
<14> rumour has it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg
<2> blondie: ??
<4> I have inherited all my computer tech right now
<8> Adam_: you might try a liveCD for the first bit. You don't have to install anything, hardware is autodetected, so you can just play with the environment
<0> tijn__: are you running an autorespond script?
<13> brb
<15> trout
<2> **** Jumps up, grabs the trout and puts its back in the river.. Another trout saved!
<2> yes
<15> tijn__: TURN THAT OFF
<2> but
<4> Yeah, does knoppix use a true debian install or is it kind of changed?
<8> !lart tijn__
<0> tijn__: it is impolite.
<16> jspiro, the kernel sorry for the late responds
<2> the sad trouts
<11> Adam_: whatever you choose - be prepared for a state of utter newbieness
<2> :S
<0> Hams: you are recompiling your kernel? why?
<17> Hell its been 8 months and im still in a state of utter newbiness, some pick it up easier i guess
<0> Hams: hello???? are you there?
<4> oh I'm already prepared for it lol
<16> becouse i cant find gcc-4.0.3-2 so i can get my modules to work and for fun :)
<4> my last attempt at linux was 'pink tie' linux when I was 14
<8> Adam_: Knoppix is not debian, adn #debian does not support knoppix, but you will find the two quite similar in their layout...
<4> yeah that's what I was wondering, I was under the impression that knoppix was based off of debian
<8> Yep
<0> Hams: which modules? you may need m-a.
<4> I didn't know how close they were though
<16> jspiro
<16> m-a?
<4> how hard is it to do a debian net install?
<0> Hams: which modules?
<4> I don't have any spare blank CD's
<18> Adam_, not hard at all.
<16> sound, wifi
<0> Adam_: no harder than a regular debian install.
<8> Adam_: I'm honestly not sure exactly how close they are, but it is known to be a derivative work.
<0> Hams: the netinstall CDimage is a CD image.
<13> would it be smart to use xorg on servers where i need the xvnc, or is xvnc enough?
<4> ok, do I need to know mirror locations or something to tell the net install?
<15> DJ-Marcuzz: remove the word smart
<2> nha ill turn it off
<8> Adam_: Frankly, I think a full CD install is a waste of CD media, unless you don't have a net connection.
<0> tijn__: ahh! relief. :)
<16> Adam_ no
<1> I think a computer is a waste without a net connection :)
<8> Adam_: it comes with a list of mirrors in a nice selection box
<18> kay ... I need a bit of help here ... I need to mount my RAID array, but I don't know where to start. I already did "/msg dpkg raid" ... but the info there was of no use. can someone point me to a good raid how to?
<2> trout
<8> !trout tijn__
<0> Hams: you may need m-a. I cannot help you more though, I don't know enough about it.
<4> Cool, because I've tried a mirror install before and it ****ed lol.
<4> What's the prime difference between debian and slackware? (or ARCH)
<18> !fish tijn__
<18> ;)
<0> Adam_: debian has 10x the packages.
<8> Adam_: a package management system?
<4> I was told "If you want to truly learn linux use Debian, Slackware, or Arch"
<18> ARCH never made it that far ... although, the idea was good.
<0> Adam_: dont be stupid. use debian.
<4> lol OK :)
<18> jspiro, lol. biased much?
<4> anyone in here study computer science?
<8> Adam_: Slackware makes you do pretty much everything. Their version of packages is trafiles, and you have to dive into config files every 5 minutes..
<18> ... if you *really* want to learn linux, use LFS
<8> Adam_:err tarfiles/tarballs
<0> CrippsFX: not at all :)
<18> Adam_, I'm in compsci
<18> jspiro, lol.
<4> Well, I want to learn the basics first lol
<0> CrippsFX: I am a slack refugee.
<19> Adam_: I *used* to when I was at Uni
<4> Yeah, I want to study compsci and do software programming
<20> CrippsFX, Adam_ : LFS won't magically teach you linux. It'll teach you distribution development. Not the most valuable skill on earth.
<18> jspiro, closest I got to slack was modifying both zenwalk, and vectorlinux
<16> jspiro, what is m-a?
<21> !m-a
<14> hmm... module-***istant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-***istant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential
<20> Adam_: Don't listen to the erstatz old hands in this channel. Easy is good. Documented is better.
<19> Hams: module-***istant
<8> Adam_: There is something to be said for running something like slackware first... but I think in the majority of cases, people just get frustrated with it before learning much.
<18> pipeline, true enough. But it does make you get all the way into your elbows with configs and stuff.
<0> Daedalus_++
<4> Yeah, I want something that's kind of in the middle
<19> Adam_: I'd suggest Debian :)
<11> Adam_: you want stabel - go debian
<20> CrippsFX: I much prefer having thorough documentation and resources to fall back on.
<4> I tried simply mepis and pclinuxos it didn't feel like I was going to get much from them
<19> Adam_: It strikes a good balance between making you do everything yourself and doing everything for you
<20> CrippsFX, Adam_: I wouldn't be caught dead using something other than Debian and RHEL.
<4> that's what I want
<18> pipeline, lol. I'm currently usung debian and ubuntu, but I was just on Fedora.
<22> 819 technically minded USERS.
<22> Might I get a faster response if I write to premiumsupport@hushmail.com or if I go through the web-based form?
<4> I wanted to try fedora, but it looked like it'd be more hand holding and not teaching more than that distrobution
<18> ALBAS, wha?
<22> They lead to the same place, I know, but the web-based form ***igns one an ID number and may result in different placement within the queue.
<4> distri*
<15> ALBAS: off-topic
<22> kspath, Yes, but 820 tehnically minded users.
<15> ALBAS: yes, but off-topic
<18> Adam_, actually, fedora's not that bad. although, if you do use it, use FC<current-1>
<22> kspath, Surely there is no better place to ask a technical question.
<4> Yeah, I'll do debian... do the CD images come in torrents?
<15> ALBAS: Surely, you can read this is #debian. Do you have a Debian question?
<19> ALBAS: Very off topic, please drop it
<8> Adam_: RHEL is very much the windows of the linux world. They really try to make everything as userfriendly as possible... sometimes to a fault. I personally can't stand it, but it works for some folks.
<22> Right.
<22> Gentlemen may message me in private. Let us keep the channel ON topic.
<18> Daedalus_, I disagree .. you're forgetting linspire, Xandros, PCLinuxOS, Mandrake ....
<18> ;)
<19> ALBAS: Or at least vaguely on topic :)
<4> I want something stable, scalable (grows with me), and something I can really learn to use whatever programming skills I develop in the future
<8> Adam_: I'd grab a netinstall image and do it that way, unless you're on dialup or somesuch.
<19> Adam_: In that case, I really would suggest Debian :)
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