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<0> sid: moron
<1> sid: Where did I say lots of people don't use sid?
<1> tarzeau: I didn't say stuff in backports is crap...I said people will get a ton of crap from backports.
<1> sid: I think you're misunderstanding my words.
<0> sid: tell me what's a ton of crap in backports then
<2> tarzeu: hi
<3> sid: I'd have to say that ... from my perspective, anyway, there's quite a bit of difference. The nice thing about sarge is I know I won't have to download and configure a new kde if it comes out. But if I like, I could just get a couple backported packages, without having my whole system in flux
<0> sid: you said people use backports with sarge and that's not the same like using etch
<1> tarzeau: I was remarking on how some people will use sarge...but they just upgrade every package from backports
<0> there's a big difference there
<1> tarzeau: which essentially makes their system etch
<1> without a libc upgrade and other things
<0> then they didn't read what backports is for
<0> and this amount of people is small, and they're doing it wrong
<1> tarzeau: I understand...You're jump on me...I was just commenting.
<0> sid: we use backports (albeit doing our own, with sarge libc) and of course we test everything how it works, and it's not crap (people from backports.org do the same)
<0> i was just wanting to make sure people DO use backports if it fits their needs
<3> zu22: why don't you apt-get kde-core and give KDE a whirl? ;-)
<4> quick question
<4> say I have a process running from another session
<4> is there any way I can view the output of said process in my current session
<4> to "jump into" the pid if you will
<3> tarzeau: I think you're giving sid an unduly hard time, he was only giving his opinion, it's not "wrong"
<3> Sazpaimon: I've been wondering about that lately. I just recently learned how to use Ctrl+Z, jobs, fg, bg !
<2> Vasistha: yeah being a bit behind is ok with me generally since it means fewer bugs and headaches :) debian is very stable
<2> sid: i am running testing (etch) not sarge (stable)
<5> how to get an old mrtg version?
<6> !snapshot
<7> methinks debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/
<2> vasistha: i am dialup ;) how big is kde-core let me see
<4> yea, it'd be really useful for me
<4> like if I run my plesk updater
<4> I'd like to jump into the process and see how it's doing
<3> zu22: um, big. a lot smaller than "kde" though ! ... thing is, it has a lot of dependencies
<2> what is reason to run unstable instead of testing? if you run sid stuff can break easily and often i heard
<6> Sazpaimon, start it in a screen session, then you can detatch screen and reattache it later, (or from a different location)
<4> sep, let's say I start it from my control panel
<4> but, I have its pid
<6> Sazpaimon, control panel ?
<4> plesk in my example
<8> zu22: participating to Debian QA
<6> Sazpaimon, oh you mean X
<2> so do debian developers and packagers use sid so they can catch bugs and package for unstable? otherwise why use it? the cost-benefit risk analysis seems to side with testing hehe
<6> have no idea
<4> no
<4> not X
<3> zu22: I think you're looking at at least 50 MB
<4> Plesk
<4> a web control panel
<4> I run a process through there
<4> it creates a pid
<4> and has output
<4> said output is emailed to me when its finished
<2> chealer: ah yeah QA
<4> I'd like to attach that pid's output to my ssh session
<4> follow me?
<2> chealer: did you get invited to do that or you volunteer?
<6> Sazpaimon, i do not belive you can do that then,
<4> :/
<3> !tell Sazpaimon about enter
<6> Sazpaimon, if you can, it would be a plesk feature. look there
<4> valdyn, its a habit
<4> err
<8> zu22: me? I don't use unstable
<4> Vasistha
<6> Sazpaimon, ofcouse this is just guesswork. i'm not familiar with plesk
<4> One I really need to break
<9> sid, thanx go for watch
<2> Vasistha: ok i will let it run overnight, if i want to switch back to gnome i just remove kdm and install gdm right?
<4> sep, the plesk updater simply runs a command via commandline. I'd just like to view the output.
<10> whats an easy way to install java?
<4> Most I've figured out is strace, which is kind of what I want
<11> what do you do when grub setup tell everything is ok, but you get a blank screen on boot, when grub should display ?
<3> zu22: you don't even need to remove anything. Especially since you are on dialup, I would recommend not uninstalling stuff
<2> chealer: ah ok
<2> vasistha: ok, i meant i will just use gdm to switch back right?
<3> I think reconfiguring the xserver will allow you to specify the default DM.
<3> !drxx
<7> drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself.
<2> i tried this lisp display manager (ldm) and it never ran (gdm keeps running) even after a reboot so should i file a bug ?
<6> Sazpaimon, edit the command to redirect output to a file. then you can tail this file.
<3> zu22: you could, sure, KDE can run on top of gdm, then you can switch around all you watch
<6> Sazpaimon, but again, im not familiar with plesk :)
<4> sep, yea, but I'd need to modify plesk, which I dont think I'm allowed to.
<10> cannot get lm sensors to work in Sarge?
<3> zu22: no, that has to do with what is listed in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
<3> s/watch/want/ (two messages back
<2> Vasisthat: oh
<4> let's just say I run a command and bg it, then I close my ssh session, but the program is still running. How can I view the output from another ssh session?
<4> Or is this not possible?
<12> hi, i want to use mail in my script and i'm a on a network, where i can't use my own smtp. is it possible to tell him (mail) the adress of smtp server?
<6> Sazpaimon, yikes looked at lpesk screenshots on the web.. it's ghastly :)
<2> Vasisthat: so how do use this ldm?
<3> zu22: I think you can just change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to read ldm instead of gdm -- but other people have said it's better to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<3> zu22: but that ldm will probably not make a substantial difference to your GUI experience
<4> sep, it's got its good and bad sides. I like watchdog 2.0 though. It examines the entire server for exploits and rootkits
<6> Sazpaimon, you can fg it, but the sane thing would be to start the command in a screen session in the first place
<4> sep, screen session meaning X?
<6> Sazpaimon, screen is screen
<6> Sazpaimon, it's one of my most used tools. next to vi, and tail :)
<4> oh, screen is a commnd?
<6> Sazpaimon, yes.
<4> so it basically lets me multitask?
<6> Sazpaimon, install it, then man screen
<4> It's installed
<6> Sazpaimon, screen is a whole religion. you must experience it
<4> yikes
<4> it also flashes white on my screen
<4> I'd rather not have linux give me a seizure
<6> ctrl +a is the default trigger key, and you can use 0-9 to swap screens, c to create and d to detatch
<3> sep: thanks for that tip, I'll have to check that out. I wonder if you can answer another console-ish question... lemme see how to phrase it...
<6> Sazpaimon, it's a lot like ALT+F1-9 for ssh
<13> Sazpaimon: so turn of the visible bell..
<4> dondelelcaro, still flashes
<14> is it possible to start a job with very low priority?
<15> man nice
<11> xnor: nice
<3> oh yeah, I remember... if I first run a console task and append ampersand & to the command, it will keep it running, outputting to the terminal
<14> great thanks ill try it
<3> if I run a command and forget to include the & then I can use Ctrl-Z to background it... but then it's no longer running. It is possible to give it the & command after it's started?
<11> bg
<3> deadgrub: ah, I see! thanks! along with ctrl-z ... that works!
<16> Hi! I have Debian Sarge 3.1r2 and want install kernel 2.6.16.18. - This bad idea?
<17> if you know what your doing then no
<3> coder: well, that kernel is not in sarge...
<17> do you have a reason to go to 2.6 or do you just want it?
<13> Sazpaimon: then it's because your term has a visual bell set; use xterm +vb or similar.
<16> Vasistha: yes, of course. I download from kernel.org.
<4> my term = putty
<18> coder: if it isn't server,update to testing/unstable isn't bad idea too (imho)
<13> uh... then adjust your terminals settings.
<17> testing is working fine for me, 2.6.15 kernel
<19> Putty settings, look for visual bell.
<16> thanks
<3> coder: rather than compiling from kernel.org it might be more appropriate to get a kernel from etch/testing, or sid/unstable -- there are some debian-specific kernel tweaks to be aware of.
<13> or were even sitting there when he said it...
<20> :(
<20> I have big problem with quake4
<17> iKernel, whats wrong?
<21> hi! are there any similar function as the microsoft/iis disabling "parent paths" in apache and php? i'd like to isolate the websites on my webserver from eachother
<20> The menu is fine, but the game is unplayablely slow, and there are models that don't get drawn, like the soldier's bodies. their heads are drawn
<22> mixter: #apache
<17> I take it your running nvidia or ati right?
<18> iKernel: glxinfo|grep direct please
<20> ok
<21> blondie: thanks!
<20> direct rendering: No
<18> heh
<20> qweo, that why?
<18> it's problem :) Just install needed drivers
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