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<p30n> ye
<mith> Hmmm, if I'm setting up some iptables rules for some basic filtering but only matching new connections, would it be better, performancewise, to match whether it's a new tcp connection, send it to a seperate chain and process from there, or will it be no better performance wise than having a single chain which matches the state and other crieteria in every rule?
<Eulex> cwrl, then contact the person who maintains it in debian currently.
<cwrl> have done
<cwrl> but my experience is that bugs in packages in stable don't get fixed
<cisse> mith: seperate i beleive
<Eulex> cwrl, security stuff will be fixed. bugs will be fixed if they are really really serious.
<cwrl> yep
<cwrl> the definition of "really really serious" depends on circumstances, apparently
<cwrl> anyway, is there a handy guide on doing what i'm after?
<cwrl> i *think* all i need to do is to change the version number and append my patch to the one in the package, but i don't know whether that's going to break dependencies on all the other php4-* packages
<azeem> cwrl: well, check them
<EmleyMoor> How, when I compile a program with libraries, do I create .so files?
<abrotman> cwrl: what kind of bug ?
<cwrl> http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=36158
<azeem> if they have Depends like "Depends: php4-cgi (= 2.3.1-4), you're in trouble
<XYZZZ> with the ram upgrade, i can fit the 2.4.2 kernel
<XYZZZ> hmmm, but something is wrong in the state of denmark
<p30n> Eulex: and 3mb/s is a sign that the disc is about to die?
<abrotman> cwrl: you could file a bug . include the patch .. depending on how serious the packager thinks it is (and if release people agree) . it oculd get fixed
<p30n> how good are the chances i can remove it from box and put it in another one and make a mirror of it ?
<p30n> before it really dies
<cwrl> abrotman -- have done, see link
<Eulex> p30n, may be. may also be that you need to enabled dma on it.
<abrotman> cwrl: i must be looking at the wrong link
<p30n> Eulex: u mean that would make it work ? it used to be faster, and it didnt use to spam out error msg´s in console..
<abrotman> !u
<dpkg> Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
<azeem> cwrl: in the Debian BTS, we mean
<cwrl> sorry, that's the one on the php site -- see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349891
<nvz> EmleyMoor: maybe ask a developer channel like a C/C++ one
<abrotman> cwrl: you filed it yesterday ..
<azeem> cwrl: so is this an accepted security issue?
<cwrl> security... depends what you mean
<Eulex> p30n, ah, ok. well, if it was faster before, there's quite a big chance something is wrong with it. but you could try checking if dma is enabled on it and enable it if not.
<abrotman> azeem: from what i read .. i don't think it's security . seems to be unwanted/wrong behaviour
<cwrl> it's not a vulnerability
<cwrl> though it is true that fastcgi is the only even vaguely secure fast way to run php
<azeem> anyway, gotta go, laters
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, depends if they are static or shared
<EmleyMoor> webwolf_27: shared
<cisse> crwl: eh questionable
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, then libname.so.version
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, or libname.so
<EmleyMoor> webwolf_27: But how do I get those in the first place?
<EmleyMoor> It's not their naming I lack, it's their creation
<abrotman> cwrl: regardless it wouldn't get fixed probably until 3.1r2
<cwrl> abrotman -- indeed
<cwrl> hence i need to maintain a locally-patched version
<abrotman> cwrl: or perhaps uploaded to sarge-proposed-updates
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, you need to compile it as a library
<EmleyMoor> webwolf_27: How?
<stew> cwrl: since it's not RC there is no way it is getting fixed in sarge
<cwrl> so i gather
<EmleyMoor> I have a package not creating its .so files when I ./bootstrap,
<cwrl> hence my wishing to know what best practice is for maintaining a local version in the least painful manner
<EmleyMoor> I have a package not creating its .so files when I ./bootstrap, ./configure, make, make install
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, is it something you've written
<EmleyMoor> No
<stew> cwrl: create a pacakge, install it, put it on hold, subscribe to debian-security-announce mailining list so you know when its tome to apply your patch to a newer version
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, are you getting an error when compiling
<stew> EmleyMoor: what *exactly* are you trying to do?
<EmleyMoor> No - no error is appearing when compiling, only when I try to run one of the apps in the package that NEEDS the .so
<EmleyMoor> stew: get openobex to work
<cwrl> stew -- ok, fine -- is there a useful guide on doing that starting from the existing package, or should i just give up and package the whole thing anew?
<stew> cwrl: /msg dpkg source
<EmleyMoor> I'm either missing an entire step or some part of it is not happening
<cwrl> yes, yes, i know that
<stew> !wayc EmleyMoor
<dpkg> EmleyMoor: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?
<cwrl> but that's how to build a package *without* altering it
<EmleyMoor> stew: Because the version with USB capability is not available for apt-getting
<stew> cwrl: alter it to your hearts content before running dpkg-buildpackage
<cwrl> yeah
<cwrl> and then what? i build a package once, but running dpkg-buildpackage again will try to patch it again, and it will all go horribly wrong
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, what lib is missing
<stew> EmleyMoor: "apt-get build-dep packagename" should install everything you need to compile that pacakge
<jrydberg> anyone seen this error (http://pastebin.com/524153 ) while running Gnus on Debian ?
<cwrl> what i want to know is, what's the easiest way to *maintain* a fork of a particular package?
<EmleyMoor> webwolf_27: All of them, sadly
<stew> cwrl: no it won't
<EmleyMoor> stew: It is not a compile failure, though
<cwrl> did last time i tried...
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, then those libs don't apear to be part of the package, but are required by the package
<stew> cwrl: oh is the pacakge maintained with cdbs or something?
<EmleyMoor> webwolf_27: They are part of the package
<cwrl> cdbs? don't think so -- it's all done with debhelper
<cwrl> though there's one source package for about 20 different binary packages
<stew> cwrl: then no patching would be done by dpkg-buildpackge
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, try doing a make clean, autoconf, ./configure make
<stew> cwrl: oh, there are patches in debian/patches, so just put your patch in there and it will get run like the rest of the debian patches
<EmleyMoor> webwolf_27: Already tried
<cwrl> ok... and dpkg-buildpackage should just produce a source package which contains those?
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, and ...
<EmleyMoor> No change
<stew> EmleyMoor: what version of debian are you running?
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, your tring to compile openbox right?
<EmleyMoor> openobex
<EmleyMoor> stew: stable
<stew> EmleyMoor: do the openobex pacakges in unstable have the functionality you need?
<EmleyMoor> stew: I would very much doubt it
<stew> EmleyMoor: what package in sarge is missing functionality for you?
<stew> EmleyMoor: and what version are you compiling?
<zimnyx> I got remote mail account (POP3/SMTP). I want to read emails/respond emails using mutt. What do i need to set up? I can;t see any SMTP options for mutt, it uses Inbox?
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, sounds like something to discuss in #openobex
<EmleyMoor> stew: USB capability, and current CVS (1.1 will have capability, but it is not available in a release yet)
<stew> EmleyMoor: apt-cache depends libopenobex-1.0.0 ; install those pacakge
<zenwryly> How should one change the behavior of the power button and lid close on a laptop?
<stew> EmleyMoor: and do that for the other obex pacakgaes as well
<stew> zenwryly: does your laptop support acpi?
<EmleyMoor> stew: Unable to locate package
<stew> EmleyMoor: i'm sorry, 1.0-0, just apt-cache search obex
<zenwryly> stew: yeah
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, normally if libs that are part of the package are not built then compile errors come up. Wait did you install this befor executing?
<EmleyMoor> Um... I have libc6
<stew> zenwryly: install acpid, look at /etc/acpi/events and /etc/acpi/actions
<Mazingaro> hi
<zenwryly> stew: ok, no good frontends for configuring acpid?
<EmleyMoor> webwolf27: Yes, I did
<stew> zenwryly: i dunno
<Mazingaro> please I've got a problem with kernel 2.6.8 #17 + K6 3 = TSC losing ticks
<zenwryly> stew: ok, thanks
<valdyn> zimnyx: afaik mutt will use the sendmail program provided by any MTA in debian
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, and ldconfig ?? is the path the libs are installed to part of your libpath?
<EmleyMoor> webwolf_27: Yes. If they were being installed in the first place, it would be
<stew> EmleyMoor: you haven't yet told us what error you are getting
<JLogik> hey all! does anyone know what the C++ room is called?
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, if make install didn't give you any errors, and the libs are part of the package then they are being installed
<EmleyMoor> stew: What error I am getting when?
<EmleyMoor> webwolf_27: They are not being installed and it really does appear to be as simple as that
<stew> EmleyMoor: what are you trying to do?
<Floxxx> hmm, hi all, i am trying to get user-mode-linux to work on debian-amd64, but i can't seem to get it done, does anybody have experience with it?
<EmleyMoor> (I know it isn't really as simple as that but that is how it appears)
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, run "updatedb" and "locate <name of lib>"
<stew> EmleyMoor: you are trying to run openobex, you are having a problem running it, what is the error...
<EmleyMoor> stew: get from nothing to the point where obex_test works...
<EmleyMoor> obex_test: error while loading shared libraries: libopenobex.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory#
<loggygreg> Floxxx: try #debian-amd64
<JLogik> guess not
<stew> EmleyMoor: do you have anything named libopenobex in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib ?
<stew> EmleyMoor: libopenobex* that is
<ericw> hello
<EmleyMoor> stew: (apparently) not
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, have you ran updatedb and locate <libname> yet
<stew> EmleyMoor: did you have errors running "make install" ? did you set PREFIX when running ./configure?
<EmleyMoor> Waiting
<EmleyMoor> I didn't have errors running make install and did not set PREFIX
<webwolf_27> EmleyMoor, updatedb can take a while
<stew> EmleyMoor: did you try just ls /usr/lib/libopenobex* /usr/local/lib/libopenobex* ?
<ericw> is hmh here? (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
<EmleyMoor> Yes - not there
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