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<0> DarkWingZE: Eh, you must be looking at things from Gnome 1.4.x...
<1> pipeline: i have gnome-config on my system
<0> DarkWingZE: Here's some advice: ignore all the crap you see about gnome programming. GnomeVFS ****s. CORBA is a dead end. Just learn to be comfortable with DBus and GTK/Glade and you'll be fine. Look for Glade tutorials rather than Gnome ones...
<1> !find bin/gnome-config etch
<0> abrotman: I don't, and I know full well I have a relatively complete gnome dev environment
<2> hmm
<3> Debian Search of 'bin/gnome-config' (1): (/usr/bin/gnome-config) in libdevel/libgnome-dev.
<1> pipeline: apparently not :)
<0> abrotman: Told you, bull**** Gnome 1.x :P
<1> it's only 1.4.2!
<2> hmm
<1> doesn't mean it's not useful
<0> abrotman: Well, it's unmaintained software that's supported by one vendor on the face of the earth, using a toolkit that is universally abhorred. I would say it's not useful :P
<0> abrotman: (HP, oddly, still supports and distributes Gnome 1.4...)
<1> pipeline: oddly .. it was installed on this machine which has never seen gnome1.4
<2> So I should look for GTK programming tutorials?
<1> i must have been compiling some gtk1 app or some such crap
<1> DarkWingZE: gtk.org
<2> what about mortif?
<1> motif?
<4> DarkWingZE: what about gnustep?
<2> gnustep?
<1> gnustep is for kids
<4> abrotman: i like how he calls it, mortif
<4> abrotman: it's also for people who want their software on windows and mac os x
<1> tarzeau: and what is gtk/qt/wx?
<2> So gtk will cover my needs?
<4> gtk is a mess
<1> DarkWingZE: you never stated your needs :)
<2> sorry, rephrase that question
<4> qt is ugly
<4> and wx, oh well a pain
<1> gnustep is for tards
<1> see .. noone is happy
<2> is it heavy pain to get into GTK?
<1> not at all
<5> i could not use Ctrl+Space to lauch scim
<1> DarkWingZE: what languages do you know?
<5> in any window
<2> I dont want to write million lines of code to just get a window and a menu
<2> C,C++, ADA, PASCAL
<4> DarkWingZE: then you want gnustep
<2> lite bit JAVA
<4> DarkWingZE: you just design your window and menu, no code at all
<1> DarkWingZE: you can use gtk or gtkmm .. pygtk is pretty easy
<0> DarkWingZE: http://www.mono-project.com/GtkSharpBeginnersGuide
<6> how can i know for what place a link points to ?
<2> thanks:)
<0> DarkWingZE: Glade is a GUI designer. GTK# is about the easiest-to-use GTK binding.
<1> there's a reason noone still uses gnustep
<1> !gazpacho
<3> i guess gazpacho is A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ or see <glade>
<0> There's a number of reasons no one ever used GNUstep.
<0> Or Lesstif, for that matter.
<2> thanks:=)
<1> tarzeau: go fix people.d.o and planet.d.o
<1> tarzeau: but you also like to spank your secretary :)
<4> abrotman: it's an announced downtime
<4> abrotman: she loves it
<1> tarzeau: ah ok
<7> abrotman: im still getting this error msg ALSA...warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: get_control:149: Cannot read control info '2,0,0,Front Playback Volume,0': Invalid argument'...amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument
<1> DevilChaos: did you run alsaconf ?
<7> yes
<1> pipeline: have you tried gazpacho ?
<1> DevilChaos: i've never ever seen that error
<1> DevilChaos: try alsaconf and alsamixer .. that's about all iknow about alsa
<8> I have been reading the New Maintainer's Guide to try to figure out how to package. Is there any other reference you would highly reccomend?
<4> jsmidt: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/
<7> ok im doing alsa conf again anyway
<7> thanx
<2> is there any package that I can download to get started with the development tools or do I need to download them seperately and compile them?
<1> jsmidt: also you can ask #debian-mentors
<1> DarkWingZE: development tools for what?
<8> thanks tarzeau and abrotman
<9> Hey all, can someone tell me how to install a C compiler on debian 3.1, Can it be done with apt? I need it for vmware?
<10> DarkWingZE: which of the 5000 development tools in debian are you referring to?
<4> power1: apt-get install tcc
<0> abrotman: I make a policy of not using "applications" written in python when I can avoid it. This is a case in which I can avoid it.
<5> I have a question about scim, i' m running debian 2.6.15. When I try to use Ctrl+Space to lauch scim, it just do no reactions.
<0> power1: tasksell
<0> power1: err, rather, run tasksel.
<1> pipeline: hehe
<0> power1: Also, tarzeau's suggestion of tcc was facetious.
<2> GTK
<9> pipeline, sorry I am new to debian...... " tasksel "
<10> !b-e power1
<3> power1: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential.
<11> anyone else having problems connecting to www.debian.org?
<0> DarkWingZE: If you're on etch/sid, you can just isntall build-essential, gnome-dev, and glade.
<10> !anyone
<3> Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
<4> Nemoder: yes. it was announced
<0> DarkWingZE: I would also recommend installing mono + monodevelop + nant, as GTK# is rather nice to use :)
<1> DarkWingZE: do you need an IDE/editor of any special type?
<11> ok thanks
<1> pipeline: anjuta!
<9> dpkg, thanks what does build-essential do?
<3> power1: bitte
<10> power1: apt-cache show <packagename>
<1> power1: it's a metapackage
<12> is people.debian.org down for anyone else?
<2> hmmm
<2> I guess that would be good
<2> any one you recomend?
<10> DarkWingZE: vim
<2> is there a standard package for debian including these development tools?
<2> vim
<12> --- people.debian.org ping statistics ---
<12> 13 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
<2> hmm
<9> valdyn, dpkg abrotman thanks
<5> I use "scim -d" to load it to systray, but i could not use Ctrl+Space to lauch it to input Chinese
<4> JasonF: yes it was announced
<12> tarzeau: where?
<4> JasonF: mailinglists
<0> abrotman: You must be kidding :P
<12> ooh. ETA for return?
<4> Subject: Downtime for some debian.org machines (people, db, buildd, etc.)
<4> This Saturday (2006-03-25) between 13:00 - 21:00 UTC, the debian.org
<0> DarkWingZE: Monodevelop is about as easy as it gets :P
<1> pipeline: i like anjuta .. but i do use vi ..
<12> tarzeau: thanks, I'm not on the lists
<2> is that the package name?
<1> DarkWingZE: for what?
<10> pipeline: when its not just broken ( in debian ) ;
<13> if a dir has r permission for other users, why other users can't cd into it?
<1> oh .. nm
<2> I want to download the development tools
<1> DarkWingZE: apt-cache search monodevelop
<4> phyrster_: you need an x too
<13> why it got to have a x permission ?
<2> I got nada doing that
<1> pipeline: remember .... if he's on sarge ... no mono or monodevelop
<10> phyrster_: because that is how it is )
<13> tarzeau: I ***ume r means readable literally
<4> because the user wants to cd into it
<14> how can i dd a partially damaged disk to an image without dd quitting before finished?
<0> abrotman: Oh, christ, I didn't realize he was on sarge :P
<4> phyrster_: exactly
<2> I dont have it
<1> pipeline: i'm not sure he is
<0> DarkWingZE: Are you on sarge?
<2> yes
<13> valdyn: then why we have readable permission?
<2> I am on sarge
<1> pipeline: i get a cookie!
<0> DarkWingZE: Doh. Then most of the packages I listed don't exist.
<15> !cookie abrotman
<1> maybe gtk is a good choice :)
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