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<0> ParoXsitiC: but I think lbxproxy runs on the client, not the server
<1> amethyst: the server has the primary internet which is using forwarding to the other machine, the connection between the 2 is 2000KB a second and the gateway (linux) (one using bittorrent) runs at 800KB
<2> Wyzard: so i could try editing grub's menu.lst to read sda5 instead of hde5 ?
<3> arsen: hm, i'm not sure when rw was added, do you use a 2.6 kernel? maybe the guys at #debian-ppc can help
<4> navaburo: It'd be worth a try... you can try it out by just editing the line using grub's interactive menu at boot time, so you don't have to edit the file just to find out whether it works
<5> On a totally different note... anyone know what water temperature should come out of the boiler of an espresso machine?
<0> ParoXsitiC: ah, you should be fine running X over the network
<6> Loof: depends on your altitude
<7> 80+
<7> :p
<0> ParoXsitiC: so ssh -X server xterm
<8> navaburo i would p*** that to the grub commandline first, then if it works, write it to the config file.
<0> ParoXsitiC: you can try out lbxproxy if you need to reduce your bandwidth usage on the local net, but it should be fine without it
<1> ssh -X server xterm
<1> ssh: server: Name or service not known
<0> ParoXsitiC: use the server's name silly :)
<1> sorry. I am new to linux
<8> \amethyst lbxproxy will speed up terminal type X11 connections?
<2> ok
<2> here goes
<0> shogunx: not sure what it speeds up... I don't use it myself
<7> yeh i use latest kernel
<1> amethyst: bash: line 1: xterm: command not found
<8> \amethyst thanx anyway
<1> it did ask for a p***word
<0> ParoXsitiC: xterm isn't installed on the server?
<0> ParoXsitiC: or is it not in the default path?
<4> I read a study somewhere that found that SSH's X forwarding with compression ("-C") provides nearly the same level of performance as lbxproxy
<1> amethyst: no. the only thing i did was apt-get install x-windows-core kde
<3> arsen: doesn't the log tell you a reason for not mounting it rw?
<7> Feb 25 21:15:43 joaquin kernel: HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended. mounting read-only.
<7> ^^
<3> arsen: i thought so. no idea how to fix it besides connecting it to a mac.
<0> ParoXsitiC: well, how about ssh -X server xedit I think that's in xbase
<9> so i installed debian and all, but it didnt find a network.. so it finishes and i restart and then it asks me for user name and p***, i put it, and then it just looks like dos
<1> ssh -X debian xedit
<1> P***word:
<1> Error: Can't open display:
<4> iNAP: Debian doesn't install a GUI by default
<0> ParoXsitiC: are you running X on the local machine?
<9> oh ok..
<9> then i need to install X?
<10> \amethyst: i found the reason: the .bash_profile is not executed, the .profile is instead
<11> ke6isf: d'oh!!!!!!!!!
<1> amethyst: that was part of my first question. No. X wont start because i have no mouse or keyboard
<3> arsen: btw, i wouldn't recommend you to use hfsplus package.
<0> mrverbose: hm.. that should only happen if something's running sh rather than bash
<4> iNAP: Install "x-window-system" and either "gnome-desktop-environment" or "kde"
<9> what is recommended?
<0> mrverbose: ah, was ENV ser perhaps?
<0> ParoXsitiC: err
<4> iNAP: Neither is "recommended"... some people prefer GNOME, and some prefer KDE
<8> Wyzard enlighenment is pretty good too
<0> ParoXsitiC: You said you were planning on sshing in
<7> ok nkuttler ?
<7> any other ideas?:p
<0> ParoXsitiC: I mean on the machine you're sshing from
<9> ok.. and do i need internet axx to install em? cause for some reason it doesnt notice the connection..
<1> amethyst: that was a response to someone asking a question
<3> arsen: connect it to a mac, put fat on it
<2> Wyzard: thankyou. your suggestion worked. I am happily running on 2.6 now that menu.lst contains sda5 not hde5!
<12> .tr
<0> ParoXsitiC: so what do you want to do exactly?
<4> iNAP: Those are the two main desktop environments... there's also XFCE which is more lightweight, and window managers like Fluxbox and Enlightenment if you don't want to use a full desktop environment
<12> tr
<0> ParoXsitiC: I think I may have misunderstood
<7> will mac do fat without any fiddling?
<12> *tr
<4> navaburo: cool :-)
<10> \amethyst: env is indeed set to sh
<9> no i want a full desktop env.. ill go with KDE
<10> \amethyst: however sh is just a symlink to bash
<7> ***uming ill be able to use windows aswell if needs be with fat ?:)
<4> arsen: I'm not a Mac user, but I'm pretty sure OSX supports FAT just fine
<3> arsen: no idea. this is probably not the best channel to ask on :)
<0> mrverbose: yes, but bash cares which name it was started with
<7> iNAP , gnome > kde imo :p
<1> amethyst: I want to run a GUI bit torrent client on the server. but only by using the other computer (also the server is headless)
<12> #tr
<12> tr*+
<7> ;)
<12> tr*
<12> tr.
<9> well what do most people use? ill go with the crowd.
<13> ParoXsitiC, try torrentflux
<13> it's a web interface around bittornado
<12> what is the name of turkish debian room
<12> ?
<7> iNAP im quite sure alot of people will tell you not to bother with kde :p
<9> ok
<7> i personally would never force it on anyone :\
<4> iNAP: And likewise, a lot of people will tell you not to bother with GNOME
<14> merhabalar
<1> GloX: my server does not have a browser so how would that work out exactly
<4> iNAP: I use GNOME myself, though
<12> merhaba
<12> sabit diski balamam lazmda
<9> so install gnome-desktop-environment
<2> ParoXsitic, you could build an ssl enabled gui for a cli app on the remote system....
<9> now will i need the internet for it?
<13> ParoXsitiC, you don't need a browser :)
<7> frankly, for the larger options, its gnome vs kde, id go with gnome.
<4> iNAP: http://www.gnome.org/ http://www.kde.org/ -- read, look at screenshots, whatever
<12> tam kodunu bulamyorum
<1> GloX: the point of using the server itself and not the windows machine (this one) is because the server is 24/7
<13> just a webserver
<0> ParoXsitiC: ah, the other computer is Windows?
<13> ParoXsitiC, torrentflux is a web interface (in php), that starts bittornado processes on the server
<14> bende yok ama
<12> sabit diskimin blm /hdb2
<1> GloX: so it runs a bittorrent client and then its done through web interface?
<12> dosya sistemi ntfs
<1> GloX: I like that.
<14> #debian.tr
<13> yeh ..
<14> egel
<2> another option is eMule (eDonkey, etc) that have nice web ifaces for p2p
<0> ParoXsitiC: In general
<12> tk
<0> ParoXsitiC: You can get an X server for Windows
<15> why in startup I get modules trying to be loaded twice? hotplug with e/tc/modules conflict?
<8> navaburo about %30 of that network got raided last week.
<13> you don't need anything special for torrentflux/bittornado, just a webserver
<0> ParoXsitiC: you might want to look at cygwin, for example. That will let you run X programs from the server and have them display in Windows (either all inside a "X desktop" window, or as individual windows)
<4> sanmarcos: udev/hotplug load things automatically, so maybe your /etc/modules is trying to load them when they've already been loaded by hotplug
<2> ParoXsitiC: check out NX and FreeNX if you are administering over a slow connection
<4> sanmarcos: It's harmless, though
<15> Wyzard: but /etc/modules oir module init tools, whatever they call it now starts before hotplug, anyways
<16> where can i get a netinstall image with 2.6.15 kernel? debianplanet is down, debian-unofficial.org doesnt have it, google doesn't help
<15> Wyzard: of course its harmless, debian's init process could not be UGLIER
<0> sanmarcos: it could be
<1> amethyst: I think i am just going to remove x and kde and use torrentflux
<17> !tell disposabl about d-i
<0> sanmarcos: at least most of the letters printed are lowercase
<15> \amethyst: there are no standards.. every init script does what it wants.. there are email addresses displayed in some of the drivers start up sequence.. Ubuntu tried to tidy it up a little at least
<4> sanmarcos: It sounds strange to blame the distribution's init process when you've configured your system to load modules redundantly, but whatever
<0> sanmarcos: I'm not saying it's pretty, but give me $5 and I can make it worse
<16> cheal: been there, done it. only 2.6.12. i need a kernel with modules for nvidia gigabit lan
<15> Wyzard: I did not configure anything to do redundatly. It should JUST WORK.
<17> disposabl: testing has 2.6.15 on i386 since a while
<4> sanmarcos: You sound like you're more interested in ranting against Debian's appearance than in actually fixing any sort of problem
<15> \amethyst: ill give you money if you make it better
<18> sanmarcos: fix it, file a bug etc.
<15> Wyzard: it wont get fix. Be realist
<1> With that said. What is the Best way to totally reverse x-window-core and kde. I know that apt-get remove is not the best way
<15> s/fix/fixed
<4> sanmarcos: And it *does* just work -- hotplug is loading the modules automatically when it sees what hardware is present
<16> cheal: but not the netinst or business card install one
<4> sanmarcos: *You* added lines to /etc/modules that don't actually need to be there
<0> sanmarcos: convince developers that it needs fixing
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