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<0> s/AAAP/AAC
<1> deadcat: orinoco
<1> deadcat: check #foold
<2> Does anyone know how or even *if* Windoze codepages map to POSIX locales?
<3> Substitution not terminated at s/AAAP/AAC <- epsilon, line 1.
<1> deadcat: #flood
<4> ItGuY: sudo kismet -c orinoco,eth1,blah
<4> ItGuY: if that doesnt work. your orinoco driver is NOT patched (unlikely now)
<1> deadcat: sudo kismet -c orinoco,eth1,blah
<1> deadcat: what is blah
<4> thats what i said
<4> blah can be anything you want. doesnt matter
<1> FATAL: Illegal card source line 'orinoco,wlan0'
<1> deadcat: how can i patch my driver
<5> wtf, how can 'base-config' be missing from my system? what package removed it?
<4> ItGuY: if its wlan, it aint orinoco driver.
<6> hello! I have just run a net install of debian etch from today's installer build on my P4 system. I have some kernel version issues that may be effecting X, anyone wish to help me out a minute?
<7> !tell slummer -about search
<4> ItGuY: so the card is orinoco right? i guess the driver is hostap or something
<8> slummer: which release do you run?
<5> sid
<9> it finally worked! I guess I had to just start up the host computer and allow the "3rdparty device" access!
<9> over and out...brb
<10> deadcat orioco
<4> so Ts0p is ItGuY ? what the **** is going on
<11> slummer: guess you should pay more attention to what apt/aptitude removes..
<8> slummer: there is no base-config command in sid
<7> !tell navaburo -about ask
<12> navaburo: Give more details about what happend exactly...
<5> oh
<11> yeah there is, but there was a conflict a while back with something or other..
<11> slummer: just re-install it if you can..
<5> yeah, that's right...I installed stable the dist-upgraded to sid. :)
<13> What are some major differences that I should be aware of coming from slackware other than perhaps the init scripts?
<7> prolific: that debian has package management
<6> I booted the installer cd. After selecting a language a window complained about no kernel modules found. It said if i countinued w/o them it would most likely fail... so i rebooted and typed install24 at the prompt, in which case it proceded. I selected all defaults from then on (i have done this many times with sarge, this is my first shot with etch). I thought that i would just get the 2.4 kernel INSTALLER, not system! i wanted 2.
<11> so install 2.6
<13> valdyn, slackware has package management, albeit apt is better. However, I'm looking at things that might take me by surprise that I should deal or get acquainted with right now
<6> need to know what to do (yes or no) to the message
<3> slackware has package management?
<6> install26 gives the same error
<4> Stevie: yes
<6> right after language selection
<5> I just remember that "If you want to run this again..." message at the end of the install...but you're right, that was a stable install...thanks.
<7> prolific: slackware has no real package management
<11> no, install the 2.6 after install..
<3> you mean beyond 'tar zxf; cd dir; ./configure && make -s && make install' ?
<6> ? is that standard procedure?
<13> valdyn, Well, not natively. But if you only want to talk about slack's lack of real pm, you're gonna have to find another guy ;)
<3> apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.foo
<13> Stevie, swaret and slapt-get
<3> haha
<3> when did they come up with those?
<11> navaburo: the etch installer is beta, and therefore may not always work well.
<6> ok... so that may fix the udev failure, usb mouse support, and x crashes i am getting with 24 in etch?
<7> prolific: uh, im not trying to troll you, debians package management is the most significant difference
<3> Now Slack is ruined for me
<14> prolific: i miss my days with slackware sometimes
<15> yeah, but if you are gonna use swaret and slapt-get why not just use debian. it's better at apt-get
<13> seberino, Why? Btw, I'm not abandoning it ;) I just want to keep my options open
<3> I always believed Slack's superiority derived from its having the compile-it-yourselfness of Gentoo, minus the fancy package management of Debian
<13> valdyn, Ok decent
<6> as for the foo part of apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.foo, what do you recomend atm?
<14> prolific: i love how slackware is low level but debian is more supported and has a bigger community
<3> man was that a bitch
<7> prolific: it means that you will be very bad off if you dont do this the debian way ( with apt-get / aptitude )
<3> i need 50 different libs
<13> valdyn, Hm do waht the debian way?
<13> Stevie, That's a bad installer ;) Or lots of deps, of course
<3> lots of deps
<3> libs depending on other libs
<13> Indeed. So apt-get can optionally retrieve those automatically, eh?
<14> valdyn: apt-get is so good seems you wouldn't want to mix in some home compiled stuff
<6> (sounds like steve needs apt-get)
<3> Steve *has* apt-get now.
<6> sweet deal
<3> When Steve needed Ethereal on a slack box, he didn't have apt-get
<13> seberino, What is less low-level in deb?
<7> seberino: not exactly, but you should watch how you install home compiled stuff
<3> Steve now uses Debian.
<3> Steve's also tired of referring to Steve in the third person.
<6> ah, steve is wise!
<15> "low level" gets thrown around a lot. more typing and bitching is not "low level".
<13> valdyn, You can integrate self compiled apps into ports?
<13> er this isn't fbsd...whatever the archive sys is called
<14> prolific: you really want to use package management for everything in debian unlike slack..that is main thing.
<6> which kernel version at the moment is recomended for install to etch over apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.foo
<6> ?
<7> prolific: debian doesnt have a ports system but you can integrate self compiled stuff into the packae management easily
<3> I don't fully understand what you just said, prolific (not sure what you mean by "into ports"), but I think the answer is yes
<13> I see
<3> navaburo: apt-cache search -n kernel-image
<13> Downloading the ISOs now ;)
<6> ok
<14> valdyn: really? nice
<7> prolific: _every_ file on a debian system is accounted for ( and possibly relied upon ), that takes work _off_ you, as long as you dont ( habitually ) work around the package management
<6> Stevie: thankyou. will report back with results of trials and tribulations...
<3> I have, on more than one occasion, downloaded source packages from unstable and built them against stable/testing so I could have the latest version of a particular program without having to totally upgrade my machine
<3> The result, prolific, is a variant of the original package specially made to work on your system, with what you have installed
<13> valdyn, Oh really? Every file is a package?
<14> Stevie: um..have you heard of apt pining? no need for so much work
<3> seberino: What happens if the unstable version is built against e.g. a different version of glibc?
<7> prolific: every file ( outside /tmp, /home etc ) is from or made by a package )
<13> valdyn, Interesting
<14> Stevie: i think it upgrades all that too :)
<3> seberino: Exactly. Not necessarily what you want.
<3> You can get the source to a pkg in sid, and compile it against the libs in stable
<7> prolific: but that last line by me isnt the point, point is you need to use the package management, you'll get into trouble if you just 'make install' something, for instance
<13> Stevie, You can't optionally apt-get a package from a different version?
<13> valdyn, Right
<14> Stevie: i see what you mean....maybe apt-pining is probably ideal then for stuff with no too many dependencies
<3> seberino: yes
<3> prolific: Apt can do so many things, I don't even know how to do them all. Yet.
<3> aptitude helps
<3> (aptitude is like an interactive apt-get)
<12> And if an GUI is needed, 'synaptic'
<7> prolific: instead i'd do 'checkinstall make install' to create a quick hacky deb that has no dependency information but integrates into the package management
<3> dvm1981: If I can't do it over ssh or /dev/ttyS0 i don't want it!
<14> valdyn: damn, you are an apt-get guru!
<12> Stevie: Yep, that's right. But because root can not use ssh default, i think
<13> valdyn, Nice. Forgot checkinstall can create debs as well
<3> dvm1981: that's what sudo is for
<12> Stevie: Yep
<14> dvm1981: synaptic is sooo much easier than aptitude
<13> seberino, What are those?
<12> seberino: Yes i know :-)
<3> what are what?
<14> prolific: user friendly package management tools
<7> prolific: another popular ( bad ) idea is using vendor installers )
<13> seberino, As opposed to apt-get?
<3> prolific: yes
<3> apt-get is good for some sort of automated tool
<14> dvm1981: i can always discover what i need on synaptic but aptitude sometimes i can't figure it out...time to RTFM
<15> vendor installers?
<3> i.e. cron job
<13> valdyn, Indeed. Fortunately more people are distributing debs, I'm finding
<10> !info aircrack 2.41
<13> Stevie, But not good for what?
<12> seberino: Same case here :-/
<16> hey guys, i'm coming from a bsd style of managing services, i need a simple easy guide on how to manage sysv type distro's like debian.
<15> so what are vendor installers? seriously
<3> prolific: Well, if you're not sure exactly what it is you want, apt-get isn't all that friendly
<16> i need something comprehensive, simple, easy. NOT a man page.
<7> !runlevels
<17> read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead,
<14> unix_infidel: great question
<7> unix_infidel: look at what dpkg said
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