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<0> Laidback_01: sata is not something that really needs OS support, its a controller<->disk interface, the SATA controller needs driver support, no idea if your's has that
<1> hi
<2> tarzeau: i got denied
<3> !lose abrotman
<4> abrotman: You Lose.
<5> I have debian etch, and lose my /etc/motd on boot. EDITMOTD doesn't exist any longer in /etc/default/rcS, and I have done a 'grep -R motd *' from /etc, with no interesting results. Please could someone advise?
<6> abrotman: when did you apply?
<6> abrotman: denied by whom for what reason?
<0> !find /etc/motd
<7> any opinions on xgl? anyone try it out?
<4> Debian Search of '/etc/motd' (1): (/usr/share/doc/fai-doc/examples/simple/files/etc/motd/FAIBASE) in admin/fai-doc.
<3> pablum: i used the livecd
<2> tarzeau: they said i'm american .. denied
<0> pablum: its experimental software, not for day to day use
<7> for reference: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
<7> valdyn, how does that make itself felt?
<6> abrotman: crap!
<0> pablum: by crashes
<3> pablum: the livecd seemed fairly solid, only a few minor bugs that i noticed, and generally arose from gnome not knowing that certain effects were happening
<8> I installed gnome, and now gnome starts when I type in startx.. how do I get back into KDE?
<7> frequent?
<5> I have already read the manuals of motd and issue, which didn't help.
<2> tarzeau: i need something to maintain .. i'd be happier if there were some other way to contribute
<3> pablum: it did not crash for me, but then i only used it for about 25 minutes
<0> snickel1650: echo 'exec startkde' > ~/.xsession
<7> SerajewelKS, so if I were to restrict myself to, say, fvwm, I might do all right with it?
<7> ah
<3> pablum: *shrug* YMMV
<6> abrotman: i wrote some text-utils software, want to maintain it?
<3> pablum: is xgl even in debian yet?
<2> tarzeau: eh .. no :)
<2> SerajewelKS: maybe in experimental .. ask gravity when he's around
<7> SerajewelKS, don't think so... not according to the bot
<2> !xgl
<4> it has been said that xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl
<6> abrotman: wtf! it's good software
<0> pablum: you would most certainly want to use a WM that does support Xgl's visual features
<2> oh .. guess not
<0> pablum: or else there wouldnt really be a point in using it
<5> valdyn: could you point me in the right direction?
<7> valdyn, how far away is that? Hmm.
<2> tarzeau: sure sure ..
<0> lewis: for what?
<2> tarzeau: maybe i should wander through freshmeat looking for something
<7> I didn't even think of that, valdyn, that there'd be hooks into the wm needed, but I guess it makes total sense.
<5> my MOTD being deleted by the system at boot and replaced with uname -r
<6> abrotman: got gnupgp now? you can be co-maintainer if you want?
<6> abrotman: don't forget happypenguin.org :)
<2> tarzeau: co-maintainer .. of what?
<0> lewis: i dont know what's wrong with yours, maybe etc/motd.tail is gone?
<5> I don't have one.
<6> abrotman: any of these or that new text-utils i will maintain: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan@linuks.mine.nu
<2> tarzeau: i should do something on my own :)
<5> (and never have as far as I know)
<0> lewis: http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/motd.tail
<7> looks like compiz is the wm to use...
<5> oh - I do, just never used it
<5> thanks for putting it there though
<6> abrotman: and stop talking about it. just do it already
<9> abrotman: DO EET!
<0> lewis: and /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh creates your /etc/motd file
<5> basically, in sarge, you could edit /etc/default/rcS and set EDITMOTD=no, but that option is 'obseleted' in etch
<6> kspath: heh :)
<6> kspath: i've never seen someone as lazy as him
<6> kspath: can you imagine his girlfriend!
<5> [LINE 1] #uname -snrvm > /var/run/motd [LINE 2] #[ -f /etc/motd.tail ] && cat /etc/motd.tail >> /var/run/motd
<5> that's all that I get, under the heading 'Update MOTD'
<6> kspath: "I WANT YOU TO COME NOW! LAZY BITCH! *WHIP*"
<9> tarzeau: I might be more lazy than abrotman. I am not sure though.
<5> (i.e. since it is commented out, the bootmisc.sh script shouldn't do anything)
<0> pablum: http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl explains it pretty well
<8> I had a fat32 drive where I installed windowsXP, how do I mount that drive so that I can use it in linux?
<10> anyone know how to make sendmail just accept and queue mail but not deliver it?
<9> djfugu4848: #sendmail does
<0> pablum: except for the fact that Xgl is also meant to be a new driver framework, which will defenitely take a long time yet to be used by real drivers
<3> pablum: compiz is not a WM
<11> SerajewelKS: compiz is a wm
<0> pablum: ( if ever, there's different solutions )
<5> valdyn: by the way, your help is appreciated.
<0> lewis: did it help though?
<6> kspath: and look at me! i'm so lazy i don't even finish writing sent
<5> valdyn: not yet ;)
<3> js_: not strictly speaking, i don't think
<5> bootmisc.sh would usually alter my motd file, but in this case, all of the lines are commented out - so it shouldn't do.
<0> lewis: /var/run gets cleared each reboot and motd should get recreated there each reboot
<11> SerajewelKS: define strictly
<0> lewis: guess the deletion is working for you
<3> js_: it uses another window manager, does it not?
<11> SerajewelKS: no, it replaces the running one
<0> compiz is a WM
<3> js_: it seems to me that it proxies calls to, say, kwin
<12> how make debian allow X forwarding over ssh?
<0> seb-: /msg dpkg sshx
<11> SerajewelKS: there are two programs that completes it, gnome-window-decoration and kde-window-decoration (iirc), that gives a similar look to metacity and kwin
<3> js_: ah, okay
<5> valdyn: I am storing the motd in /etc/motd, not in /var
<0> lewis: bootmisc.sh writes to /var/run/
<7> SerajewelKS, it "uses Gnome or KDE decorations", but the page says it provides the wm functions (if I read that correctly)
<0> lewis: on sid anyway, im not familiar wiht this except to what im seeing on this system right now
<0> pablum: compiz is a full 'normal' wm that uses the xgl/aiglx api and plugins for much functionality
<5> valdyn, my point is, all the motd lines are commented out in my bootmisc.sh
<5> so the script shouldn't be doing ANYTHING to my motd, am I right?
<0> lewis: yea, that's the problem
<5> oh - nevermind
<7> valdyn, interesting... what's aiglx do now?
<5> well... how come when I create a motd file in /etc, it creates a symlink to /var/run/motd?
<0> lewis: uh, the symlink was already there?
<5> oh
<5> argh
<0> lewis: edit /etc/motd.tail for a custom motd, leave /etc/motd alone, leave /etc/bootmisc.sh alone
<7> argh, 3d acceleration
<13> Hello people, I have debian etch, and want to be able to produce text files in russian (cyrillics). I installed the correesponding locale, but what next??? nothing has changed
<5> ok - appreciated.
<9> !tell a about ru
<0> !ru
<4> Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)
<9> a: There is a fair chance that that channel will have the experts in it.
<14> I can't run opera because it complains about missing libqt-mt.so.3, even after i've exported LD_LIBRARY_PATH. if it because I'm using an amd64 platform?
<0> !aiglx
<15> What's wrong when my computer says "Ramdisk: ran out of compressed data, Invalid compressed format (err=1), VFS: cannot open root device "hda5" or unknown-block(0,0), Please append a correct "root=" boot option, kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
<16> hildi, anyone give me a link where i can find repositories?
<13> kspath: thanx
<0> pablum: try google, i cant explain it completely, its a different implementation of similar ideas as are behind xgl
<7> valdyn, yeah, even has a wikipedia entry
<8> I'm having trouble mounting my windows partition in debian
<8> I tried mount /dev/hda1/mnt/windows, but I get an error that says: mount: can't find /dev/hda1/mnt/windows in etc/fstab
<7> not in etch...
<0> pablum: for a user there should be a difference, its mostly concerning implementation stuff for driver vendors/authors
<0> pablum: s/should/should not/
<17> snickel1650: try mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
<18> I have an issue with nss_ldap, where only root can get account info of users in an LDAP directory. non-root users, both local (in /etc/p***wd), and in LDAP, get no such user returns for getent, id, whoami, finger, etc
<17> snickel1650: (note space between /dev/hda1 and /mnt/windows)
<8> ah I see thanks
<7> valdyn, saw that... something about 'closed-door' process for xgl.
<0> pablum: that is something entirely unrelated
<7> to the birth of aiglx? Not according to wikipedia
<0> pablum: aiglx = keep using current driver framework, xgl = write new drivers
<0> pablum: yea, just said i wasnt talking about their development method
<19> anyone here ever used alien?
<0> airbrush: just dont use it
<7> ah
<20> airbrush: yes, someone here has use alien at some point in time.
<13> airbrush: I used it
<20> told you.
<21> trying to do an innocent apt-get install tcpdump on an all new installation, I get "could not early remove e2fsprogs"..
<19> after one does the "alien -i pkg.xxx.rpm" does alien hunt down the deps for the package too?
<22> stew, this stuff are turning me crazy
<0> airbrush: alien is a nice tool, but it really shouldnt be used by people not understanding exactly what they do, and those people usually know a better solution
<21> how should I debug that firewall without tcpdump?
<23> hi all
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