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<0> is there anyone working at nokia here right now?
<1> Keith-BlindUser: I always wondered what it was like to use a computer while blind. How difficult is it?
<2> how would i know if nvidia-glx is the same version as the nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-k7 ?:x
<1> tarzeau: apparently lars wirzenius used to but quit over patents
<0> ****ing piece of **** of software, can't be installed both versions, and needs a godawfuldamn reboot after each remove/install
<0> i would just like to hit some nokia employers hard
<3> mhall: I am not blind but read a lot about it. It is hard hard hard unless you have the right hardware specialized with audio feedback.
<4> mhall: would probably be easier if there weren't so many CAPTCHAs out there
<1> kspath: oof
<1> dannyp: yeah that's really screwed up
<1> apparently it forces you to use a lot of Windows / M$ stuff
<1> that's one thing i heard
<3> mhall: the problems are many. Like none of the consumer hardware is tested for blind usage for starters
<5> Keith-BlindUser: it looks like you can install by booting the brltty floppy which has brltty and speakup support, which then uses the normal installer to continue
<6> tarzeau: you could have told the bot that cellphones are simply a sidebizz just like ericsson
<7> Well the Debian installer I found on: ftp://mirror.services.wisc.edu/Mirrors/Linux/Distrobutions/speakup/Debian/Sharge did not tell me if the CD iso I saw there called "Sharge.Iso" would have 2.4, or 2.6 on it, so I don't know. That FTP Server is annonymous. Just using the mirror part without ftp works fine, but if someone wants to check out that installer, let me know what you can find about it, no need to isntall, just
<3> mhall: bios does not give audio feedback and there is no way normally for the blind to set boot order or other settings without ***istance or a script of keypresses.
<7> I haven't burnned the CD yet. I'm on a Windows box and need to find a CD-burnner program first before I can even try using the CD.
<1> kspath: i was going to say, anything to do with booting would ****
<1> Keith-BlindUser: there are a couple available that are good
<5> Keith-BlindUser: the iso has both. however you apparently need to boot with the 'access' floppy to get speakup support
<8> cu
<2> how do i upgrade from testing to unstable?;o
<4> kspath: surely one could get a computer with a bios that supports a serial console...
<9> hey...! how do I change a user login?
<7> So I can't be sure what kernel it has. All I know is my network addapter is supported in 2.56, and most Linux distrobutions I've seen have offered 2.6 kernels sinse most people use those.
<5> Keith-BlindUser: that being, the access boot, root and cd or net drivers floppy images.
<7> Um
<7> 2.6 not 2.56 Argh!
<3> mhall: if you know a really good person that wants to help people than doing research for the blind would be a good endeavor for a phd project ***uming a professor would accept it.
<5> Keith-BlindUser: do you know which network card it is?
<10> hello there any one know how I delete a empty ext2 partition to change it to fat32?
<7> Um
<11> sunflower: fdisk, change the type, format it as fat32
<9> is there a way to change the login of a user??
<5> sunflower: remove the partition in a partition table editing program
<5> cusco: like chsh ?
<11> cusco: edit /etc/p***wd?
<9> LSorensen: that only changes the shell
<5> cusco: ehm, what do you mean by change the login by the way?
<9> blondie: not enough
<12> !tell arsen about dist-upgrade
<11> cusco: yes it is
<4> chsh is the proper way
<9> LSorensen: the login name
<10> isnt there any easy way
<5> cusco: do you mean change username?
<13> if I edit /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, to contain dc_local_interfaces='192.168.0.1:127.0.0.1' then that should allow anything on 192.168.0.1 to connect to port 25 on this server right?
<7> It's a RealTech Something or other. LOL. Not sure. Hey Dude; not sure if the Debian installer allows the user to use other consoles, or even use SSHD, but if it does, I can see if I can burn the CD, try to load SSH D, figure out what tool setups the network, and let you take a look through LSPCI.
<9> LSorensen: yes
<5> cusco: you can rename /home/username and edit /etc/p***wd, /etc/shadow and /etc/group
<4> if you edit p***wd, you need to update shadow, etc.
<7> Or actually
<7> I believe you'd find it if you listed LSUSB.
<14> topic
<7> Sinse it's connected to a u.s.b port.
<1> kspath: don't have time or money for graduate school
<14> whoops missed the slash
<15> hello there, I wanna search the content of a couple files(also in sub directories) and output the filename, if it matches a pattern, is that somehow possible?
<5> Keith-BlindUser: kei: hmm, I know some architectures support ssh console for the install after a certain point. not sure i386 dfoes
<16> why can't i hear anything?
<13> ndee, grep is your friend
<9> dannyp: oh right thanks
<5> Keith-BlindUser: usb ethernet?
<9> thanks LSorensen
<15> wpostma: in the man pages, they just write about files but not directories.
<7> D, o , e , s :)
<13> ndee, in that case you probably want find.
<7> well
<3> mhall: if you think you have information overload now. Imagine trying to use audio or braille output
<16> -.-
<5> kspath: I was just thinking about that. I can't imagine trying to keep up with this.
<7> I could experiment, but I've got to find a CD recorder for Windows unless I could see if Cdrecord is available for Windows and sinse I would not know the correct sintax for uurnning a .ISO image,
<1> kspath: son of a bitch
<7> burnning
<1> Keith-BlindUser: yeah there are some free windows CD burning applications; i'm finding a link
<5> Keith-BlindUser: most cd writing programs have an option for 'burn cd from image' which is what you want. nero and easy cd creator both do.
<7> and this would get off the tpic- so I think that we can take this into PM if you want to discuss this subject here-I'm trying not to change topic.
<5> Keith-BlindUser: and I think cdrecord exists for windows, although it is painful to use
<2> whys it look like you have to be on unstable to install nvidia drivers?! im lost :\
<15> wpostma: that is only for finding files, but I want to search the content of files.
<7> well
<13> ndee, then you want "grep -R"
<5> arsen: nvidia is non-free. it doesn't auto migrate to testing. x.org on the other hand is free and did migrate.
<7> I've always had people ***ist me with cdrecord my friend told me it has an odd sintax and I wouldn't know what that was. But I'm sure I could try it.
<9> blondie: no it isn't
<15> wpostma: oh, true *embar***ed*
<2> so you do essentially need to be on unstable then?:p
<11> cusco: it is for what you asked
<9> blondie: than you can't login, makes no sense so it isn't
<5> Keith-BlindUser: the syntax is not just odd. It is insane. Reminds me of trying to talk to the author of cdrecord. :)
<11> cusco: I didn't say you could, but the login is still changed.
<7> Have you talked with the author of cdrecord? :P
<3> mhall: I once talked with a blind gentleman on a CTA bus in Chicago for sometime and he had a very specialized device years ago that looked like a notebook with no screen but it had a special interface
<13> Keith-BlindUser, whenever I run into weird syntax, I make a small shell script. burniso would be a nice command for instance, to wrap up the uglies of cdrecord.
<5> arsen: well to use the non-free driver at this moment, well almost. You can just go download the .deb's from unstable and install them with dpkg -i
<1> Keith-BlindUser: http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
<9> blondie: whats the point of helping some one break his machine?
<5> Keith-BlindUser: by email, yes. a number of times.
<1> Keith-BlindUser: The author of cdrecord is a hideously evil bastard.
<5> Keith-BlindUser: never very productive
<11> cusco: I doubt it would break your machine
<3> mhall: That was one of the things that got me quite interested in the subject of UI and UI design.
<2> im gona just dist-upgrade, see if its easier in unstable
<7> Hold
<9> blondie: the login wouldn't work what would be the point?
<5> arsen: it could be.
<1> kspath: cdrecord?
<9> blondie: not enough.
<11> cusco: well I think changing usernames is silly to start with
<9> blondie: keep yout thoughts to yourself
<11> cusco: no
<17> LSorensen : localhost:~# apt-cache show eggdrop
<17> Package: eggdrop
<17> Priority: extra
<17> Section: net
<9> yes
<5> blondie: yeah that's what I tried to tell someone at work many years ago, but she insisted her username on all the machines had to be changed when she got married.
<5> Andrei: and apt-get install eggdrop does what?
<11> LSorensen: haha
<9> LSorensen: LOL
<18> LSorensen: LoL xD
<9> :)
<7> Mhall, how did you guess I was using XP Pro? :P
<1> Keith-BlindUser: I didn't, it's just part of the name of the program itself.
<7> Ah. :D
<7> here goes nothing.
<1> Keith-BlindUser: I really don't know why they called it that, but since they give it away free, I figured I'd just shut the **** up and not argue with them.
<7> Laughing Out Loud
<1> Keith-BlindUser: It should be able to burn them because I got the name of it from Debian's CD Image FAQ
<13> Keith-BlindUser, I usually use K3B to burn ISOs.
<5> Keith-BlindUser: are acronyms a pain?
<5> wpostma: I usually use cdrecord or cdrdao or growisofs
<19> Alright. I've narrowed down my error, done some reading.
<7> I'm glad I haven't had anyone on this channel ever tell me to "STFU." I try to find helpful friends on IRC especially open source ones like this, try to chat, to enjoy myself, to help if I can. But I have found some people will hate you so much they will stop at nothing to cause problems. Had a blind kid whipe my Linux box by some how obtaining root and using cd / rm -rf /
<19> The test page I started with cups's web interface just isn't printing, using the Lexmark X75 Driver from http://home.online.no/~enrio/
<20> Keith-BlindUser: the 'cd /' is redundant in that case
<1> Keith-BlindUser: that's pretty messed up of him
<1> Keith-BlindUser: You seem to be patient and clear with what you type so I think you're unlikely to encounter an 'STFU.'
<5> freeone3000: might not be installed where it needs to be, ***uming it works at all.
<4> mhall: people on IRC are jerks
<5> freeone3000: I stick to supported hardware
<5> dannyp: yeah we sure are. :)
<2> freenode is generally good i find :p
<3> dannyp: I am not a jerk. I am a BOFH.
<1> Keith-BlindUser: I, on the other hand, am offensive, loud, and not especially appropriate. So people tell me to 'STFU' or something similar a few times a week at minimum.
<2> you should try giving support on quakenet.. lol :)
<1> dannyp: Yes; quite.
<3> mhall: STFU
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