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<0> OfficeChair okay
<1> OfficeChair: you mean there are people still using lilo?
<2> Kube: I am not going to hand-hold you through the process of booting Linux single user. Please help yourself with Google.
<0> LSorensen what is lilo
<3> LSorensen: i am one.. lilo is a lot better than you think on some computers
<4> anyone know how I can rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/available? Mine's corrupted and it makes 'apt-get -f install' break complaining aobut the corruption. moving it out of the way didn't fix it.
<5> hello, anyone can help me about initng and sysv-rc ?
<0> OfficeChair okay.. but what does single user have to do with my problem!?
<2> LSorensen: I use GRUB. He should know how to use GRUB.
<1> Kube: the ancient boot loader people used to use for booting linux before grub came along
<1> shingouz: what feature does lilo have that grub doesn't have that could possible make it better for some computers?
<2> Kube: Single user is runlevel 1. It is where you go when there are problems you can't get around in multi user.
<5> does initng completely makes sysv-rc system unnecessary ?
<4> LSorensen: better support for raid1
<0> ok thanks
<6> when users change their VM p***word using Comedian Mail's menu option it does change it successfully but when Asterisk is restarted their p***word reverts to the value in voicemail.conf - how can I allow these changes to persist?
<3> LSorensen: try making a compaq smartarray 2 or an ibm pc110 work nicely with grub and ask that question again ;)
<7> Back all. Now what I'm wondering is, if speakup is part of the actual Debian install CD-Rom's? Or do I actually need to patch it. I'm ***uming that Debian includes speakup as part of all kernel sources--at least it'd be ideal anyways. I'd have to be careful just in case it has a oddball kernel without speakup inside it thgouh,
<1> T-u-N-i-X: not sure initng is supported on debian. you may end up having to rewrite the initscripts for everything yourself
<2> Kube: Please RTFM about this
<6> oops wrong channels
<8> hm
<7> though*
<1> shingouz: can't you just add it to the device.map file and be done with it?
<5> well my boot time is 29 seconds right now.. i just have a few things to learn
<1> shingouz: and what idiot made that controller have it's own /dev entries anyhow
<2> Kube: Okay, get to GRUB
<2> Kube: When you see the selection for your kernel, hit e to edit
<5> LSorensen: they're completely different systems right ?
<8> the nvidia one-liner didnt appear to work, in order to install nvidia-glx it removes xserver-xorg (which then means it cant reconfigure the xserver-xorg in the later steps..) ?
<1> pjz_: grub handles md raid1 perfectly
<0> Ok i will try that
<1> T-u-N-i-X: as far as I know yes
<5> LSorensen: i mean if i use rcconf it won't effect initng right ?
<1> T-u-N-i-X: probably not. rcconf has a use btw?
<1> arsen: xserver-org conflicts with nvidia-glx 7174 and lower. get 7676 or 8178.
<5> :) of course.. i use it for starting or stopping the services at boot time
<8> ah, try
<8> ty *
<9> How do I convert a file for a grub bootsplash?
<2> Kube: You really should learn your way around GRUB
<3> LSorensen: i have no idea who the idiot was and i want the systems to work, not to take umpteen hours to configure. lilo works, grub works after a lot of pain. i am not saying lilo is the only way to go or that grub is bad, i am only saying that sometimes the alternatives are better
<10> Since upgrading to linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 from 2.6.8 (of the older kernel images), NFS exports (kernel-server) fail (hang) intermittently. Any thoughts?
<1> shingouz: once installed grub is a lot less painful to work with than lilo and much better equiped to deal with problems
<7> Grub should be easy, dude.
<2> Lets not get into a GRUB vs. LILO flamewar.
<8> if grub works auto, its easy, otherwise its h***le to fix :p
<1> shingouz: but yes the hard coding of blocks that lilo does actually does seem to deal with the compaq raid mess, while grub doesn't automatically do so (should be easy to fix once and for all though)
<2> But GRUB is nice when you are changing the bootloader config alot (no need to type 'lilo')
<1> OfficeChair: and update-grub is great
<7> I mean all you do is: default 0 timeout 5, if your blind insert 2 controlg characters to make the grub boot loader beep when it reaches the 10 seconds or whatever for you to enter single user mode or whatever, and well ***uming the kernel is installed you're fine.
<11> LSorensen: it is. But it ****s for production machines which need to boot a mirrored disk pair.
<2> Keith-BlindUser: Exactly. It can be done blindfolded. ;)
<12> meld (diff viewer) is broke in etch, where do i go to search bug report etc..etc..
<1> strib: I use it for that.
<1> strib: boots fine here.
<11> LSorensen: me too. I wrote a document describing it.
<1> sts: from either disk in the mirror
<11> It's a horrible hack.
<1> strib: no hack involved for me.
<11> LSorensen: so how do you do it then>?
<1> strib: I used to have to hack it a bit, but now it is clean
<7> Technically, yes, it can be done with a blindfold on, and noone would be any the wiser that a blindfold was used, :D
<13> when i'm executing mplayer, xmms or supertux for example i get the error "Segmentation Fault", what's the problem?
<14> nvz: nandrew ?
<1> strib: grub-install /dev/sda; grub-install /dev/sdb; /dev/md0 is raid1 of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 and is mounted as /boot (could make it part of / I guess)
<2> We should have the topic say "No Debian derivative distributions", I am tired of people coming here with their non-Debian questions.
<15> does anyone know how to save sent mail to "Sent"-folder in an IMAP-account using Mew in Emacs
<1> strib: up until about a year ago, grub did in fact NOT support md raid1. It now does.
<11> OfficeChair: isn't that what /kick is for?
<11> LSorensen: ah, ok, thanks :)
<1> strib: I used to manually mirror sda1 and sdb1 and install grub on each one
<2> tzfardea: Corrupted common dependency?
<1> strib: I was quite happy when they added raid1 support
<16> hi all
<2> tzfardea: Are you invoking them with a file to play?
<11> LSorensen: indeed :)
<13> OfficeChair, yes
<1> strib: I now have one machine running with the hack setup, and the other running the clean method since I installed it later.
<11> LSorensen: do you know in which version?
<1> strib: the one in sarge does raid1.
<17> wow. my usb wireless card went into the washer and still works.
<7> OfficeChair: you should really make sure the tpic is about Debian not something else. But yeah, man. I think everyone should try using irc with a blindfold for a moment, it will feel kind of weird, but that's expected. I'd like to see if all of a sudden if typos start happening all over hte channel, LOL.
<1> strib: woody certainly did not
<2> tzfardea: If you invoke with no command line parameters, is the no segmentation fault?
<16> how i must use squidguard?? (i add it in squid.conf as redirect program and made squidguard.conf)
<13> OfficeChair, i get this error no matter what i do
<2> Keith-BlindUser: For those who can't touchtype.
<11> LSorensen: I'll have to change http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.d.stribblehill/mirrored_grub.html now :|
<1> strib: sounds good. :)
<2> tzfardea: Hmm, perhaps a dependency that is common among all of them is corrupted?
<13> OfficeChair, ok... how can i check what's wrong?
<18> my system is in a weird state with a corrupt exim4 configuration in /etc/exim4. If I kill /etc/exim4, I can't get apt-get to install exim4-daemon-light and the other exim4 packages. I'm screwed.
<11> wpostma: the config files are in exim4-config IIRC
<1> strib: wow you mention unmirrored swap partitions. Who would be crazy enough to run those if they bother with raid1 in the first place?
<1> wpostma: purge the exim packages (all of them) then reinstall them
<2> tzfardea: Not sure.
<2> tzfardea: Is this Sarge?
<16> hey are you here?
<11> LSorensen: most of the time, disks fail on boot
<13> OfficeChair, it's testing
<19> Hello, Im having some problems after a dist-upgrade. When I try and install x-window-system I get an error like tempfile not found. Is there any easy way to recover from a unhappy distupgrade other then reinstall ?
<19> I have debianutils install
<13> OfficeChair, this problem was started after i had a problem with my X server, so i removed the package xserver-xorg and installed it again
<1> strib: not in my experience
<2> tzfardea: What if you invoke mplayer without arguments?
<18> rats, I have to uninstall sqwebmail, courier, etc, in order to uninstall and reinstall exim4. Is there a way to tell apt-get that I'm just doing a reinstall,l and it won't have to uninstall all kinds of stuff?
<1> strib: given I rarely see a boot in 6 months, disk failures happen during normal use most of the time
<13> OfficeChair, i get the same error
<2> tzfardea: Do other X apps work?
<11> LSorensen: <shrug> My cluster disagrees with you :)
<13> OfficeChair, umm... i didnt check many apps, but atomix works for example
<11> LSorensen: 137 nodes and disks tend only to fail when they spin down
<1> strib: well I guess it depends how often you reboot
<13> OfficeChair, and xchat, firefox
<11> LSorensen: likewise, once every few months
<1> strib: and on the type of disks perhaps.
<11> <nods>
<1> strib: still either way, not mirroring swap is just asking for trouble.
<11> Of course, mine are all identical seagates
<2> In my experience, disk failures are caused by temperature changes and shock (dropping.)
<11> Indeed
<2> Of course, the only computers I own are laptops.
<11> OfficeChair: hehe
<2> tzfardea: Weird.
<1> strib: hmm, I haven't bought seagates in a while. I got fed up with their failure rate.
<16> does squidguard make reports??
<1> strib: and buggy firmware.
<20> wpostma: apt-get --reinstall install foo bar ...
<21> i use the gnome 'main menu' - the nice and compact menu in X. How can I edit items on this menu???
<2> tzfardea: All I can say is try reinstalling. ;)
<12> Thanks I found it...
<13> OfficeChair, ok thanks :P
<22> where can i get a precompile eggdrop1.6.17. for debian 3.1 ?
<1> Andrei: does 3.1 include any version?
<22> what do u mean by that ?
<2> The last HDD failure I had occurred in a car accident.
<12> !tell Andrei about eggdrop
<18> apt-get reinstalled exim4, and asked if I wanted split up conf.d or all in one. I picked not to split but /etc/exim4/conf.d was created, and files were split. What do I do to get a single exim4 conf file?
<7> Okay all. Here's a good question.
<1> Andrei: well I see sid includes 1.6.17. I imagine sarge does not since it probably wasn't out when sarge was released
<23> Keith-BlindUser: speakup comes as a kernel patch. There are also prebuilt kernels using that patch.
<24> wpostma: the split files aren't used if you choose not to split AFAIK...
<1> Andrei: so if you need a new one, check backports.org, or backport it yourself
<23> Keith-BlindUser: normal kernels don't have speakup support. the installer doesn't neither.
<7> I'm aware Debian 3.1-R1 is the latest. I did find a version of Debian Sarge that is speakup enabled, only trouble is it's 3.1. Not 3.1R1. So does anyone see any complications in me using that? Once I burn the .Iso to a CD-Rom, I won't be able to modify the CD-Rom.
<25> Hi. Is it possible to install Debian from scratch to another available partition on disk using the internet connection that i have at the moment with an other Debian installation?
<23> Keith-BlindUser: oh, another thing, the prebuilt speakup kernels are only for 2.4, and they are not in Etch
<1> Keith-BlindUser: as long as you can install, the upgrade afterward should be fine
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