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<0> e-bola: with /etc/init.d/networking restart
<1> valdyn: vlc seems to depend on the avahi libs
<2> moshii: mm, you should still be able to remove at least the daemons
<3> something bad happened after upgrading (amd64), startx etc is no longer in $PATH
<4> whats pump for if u dont need it to run dhcp?
<2> oskie: so xorg7 isnt yet completely compiled for amd64, maybe, try apt-get install xorg
<1> valdyn: I've managed to stop the interfaces randomly changing ip addresses, but ifup moans about a zeroconf file missing..
<2> E-bola: its a dhcp client
<3> valdyn: it's all broken...some packages are 7.0 and some 6.9 :( i don't know how to fix this..
<3> xfonts-utils doesn't seem to be a package in amd64
<2> oskie: wait till its compiled or dont use sid if you cant deal with issues, or read the topic or purge X and install xorg 6.9 from testing
<2> oskie: as i said, not all xorg7 packages are compiled for amd64 yet
<3> valdyn: i can deal with issues..that's why i ask in here...
<2> oskie: or compile the missing packages yourself
<3> valdyn: it's pretty dumb to compile only 'some' packages and place them into sid, breaking X entirely, when there are other alternatives (experimental or not uploading to sid at all)
<2> moshii: that thing isnt directly caused by avahi, i dont have such issues, some package seems to have messed with your interfaces file i guess
<3> but it's too late to blame the maintainers now...
<5> !popcon
<6> rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
<7> oskie: You are the only one to blame if you are using sid.
<1> valdyn: I noticed a couple weeks ago that a zeroconf process had appeared and it was messing with stuff.. got rid of that, but it seems it isn't all gone :/
<3> ekkikrist: now that's wrong... sid is meant to be used, by experienced users
<7> oskie: Sid is broken, always. Don't complain about this.
<2> oskie: the packages are ok, but compiling happens automatically but the buildds, its just not finished, maybe it will be tomorrow
<1> oskie: I get the feeling sid isn't really meant to be used by anyone that doesn't want broken stuff
<3> ekkikrist: it's not... but i won't complain.
<7> :)
<7> I should add that it's broken by design.
<5> ekkikrist: i'd rather call it new and old
<1> people running those sort of archs must be good at waiting ^^
<5> ekkikrist: alot of software in sid is just fine
<7> tarzeau: Yes of course, but it is expected to be broken
<5> ekkikrist: it's ok if it breaks
<3> good at waiting, or just good at downgrading...
<7> That is no fault of the maintainers
<2> non - i386 arches just 'break' a gazillion times more due to the slow buildds, even amd64
<5> ekkikrist: the idea is, you're not allowed to blame anyone if it is broken for you
<5> ekkikrist: exactly
<5> valdyn: i disagree
<5> valdyn: not everyone makes their packages on i386/linux
<7> tarzeau: Yes that's what I am trying to impress upon oskie :)
<2> tarzeau: that is true, but i run both and i see the issues daily
<5> valdyn: i run several others. and i don't see them
<2> tarzeau: the majority does and uploads i386
<5> valdyn: but using more than one arch helps also to find bugs in source and make it better
<2> tarzeau: sure
<5> valdyn: yes, but many others also use different things
<8> the libxcursor-dev package doesn't provide usr/lib/libXcursor.la :/
<1> tarzeau: but if a arch is only 50% built there are more problems than just bugs
<2> tarzeau: i put 'break' in '' intentionally, since it really is just one package missing for a 'complete' upgrade
<5> valdyn: last year i've only used ppc, this year i use i386/gnu-kfreebsd
<5> moshii: what arch are you talking about? 50% and less is only one: Hurd
<9> Hi guys, I have an older computer It is working great with linux, much better then I expected actually. Anyway, this computer has a phone modem with phone ports on the back that let you plug in a phoneline, I just got an idea why not use this computer as a phone. so is there any software that lets you dial numbers and recieve calls on linux?
<1> tarzeau: I'm sure the sparc stuff takes a while to build
<2> TTT_Travis: minicom
<1> tarzeau: unless they're cross compiling
<5> moshii: there exist fast sparc computers...
<9> valdyn what is that?
<2> TTT_Travis: apt-cache show minicom
<9> so if I understand right, with this program when someone calls my home phone number my computer will ring
<10> hello, my friend updated Debian 3.1, and he gave me "update files"...and i want to use that update to update me... :) but i don't know how to do that...how to update...where to put that files...??? can someone help me???
<1> tarzeau: true, how about an m68k then? imagine building xorg on an 060!
<3> heh..downgrading from xorg 7.0 or xorg 6.9 seems to be easier said than done... so many packages that need manual installation
<11> any updates on xorg7 for sid?
<5> seksi: ~; dpkg -i *.deb
<2> oskie: you remove X and that will remove _Alot_ of packages,
<2> !remove x
<6> In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common
<5> moshii: yes m68k are slow...
<9> valdyn have you used minicom todo what I am doing?
<10> tarzeau, are you sure ??? :)))
<2> oskie: there's no need to manually remove alot of individual packages
<5> seksi: you don't have internet?
<2> TTT_Travis: no, its not really meant for doing what you want
<10> but, is there better way to do that??? something with apt, or with synaptic???
<9> valdyn oh
<10> tarzeau, i have internet, but it is too slow for that...
<5> seksi: yes, but you need internet for that
<9> so theres nothing for what I want
<3> valdyn: i'm manually downgrading packages... if I remove X, how can I reinstall 6.9.0 when the latest in sid is 7.0/6.9 (broken) mixture?
<11> anyone has a xotg7 built?
<5> seksi: how slow? 1kb/s ?
<5> seksi: slow is no problem if you have time
<10> tarzeau, why...i have 3gb update...
<2> oskie: use the testing packages
<11> s/xotg/xorg
<5> seksi: so what?
<5> seksi: you have time or not?
<10> tarzeau, but...there is also huge phone bill :)))
<10> tarzeau, i have time...but why should i download it from net when i have it on my hdd?
<5> seksi: don't use debian then
<12> (sarge) i want to mount remote windows filesystem, i use smbfs, yes ? .. what is smbclient for ?
<5> ski: it's like an ftp program but for smb
<10> tarzeau, is there someone else who can help me??? sorry, tarzeau, but you are not helping me :)
<10> is there someone else who can help me??? sorry, tarzeau, but you are not helping me :)
<1> seksi: you should run stable if your connection is slow
<13> How would one go about buring a data DVD under Linux?
<4> can u see if an interface has a cable connected?
<2> matadon: 'growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso'
<10> moshii, but I have update on my hdd...above 3GB...
<14> boy. next time I'll wait until the computer is *all* the way off before I unplug a hard drive.
<12> tarzeau : so, it's not tools related to setting up a smb server, then ? (into in apt wasn't so clear, i thought)
<10> moshii, can I use that???
<1> seksi: do you have a nicely formatted update .. i.e. a debian dvd iso or just a pile of random packages?
<9> valdyn do you know of anything else that might help me do what I want?
<15> it's me again ;) i just tried to dist-upgrade my minimal stable system to testing. it wants to remove one package: base-config. is base-config needed after the initial install or is it ok to remove it?
<10> moshii, random packages... :(
<1> conga: base-config can go
<15> thanks moshii
<1> seksi: it's going to be very hard for you do upgrade you system like that
<10> moshii, ok, i'll find another way to update...thanks anyway...
<16> where are the Xorg 7 X, xorg.conf and dexconf man pages?
<1> ski: what dist are you running?
<10> tarzeau, thank you too...
<1> seksi: what dist are you running?
<16> Is there a new xserver-xorg-doc package?
<17> liable: hello, maybe you remember me, yesterday I bothered everybody with my raden+debian
<12> moshii : debian sarge (as noted above)
<1> ski: sorry, that was meant from someone else
<12> (moshii : oh, np)
<18> hi
<1> ski: for an smb server use samba and to browse smb shares you can use smbclient :)
<18> please, somebody can tell me the path of the configuration file for the monitor???
<1> tienchi: for X?
<12> tarzeau,moshii : ok, ty for the clarification
<18> yes
<9> how do I play an mp3 file from terminal>
<1> tienchi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg/xserver-xfree86
<19> TTT_Travis: mpg321
<17> liable: are you here? ;)
<1> tienchi: or its in /etc/X11 .. but you don't want to go in there
<20> Yan^: yes, how did you go?
<5> TTT_Travis: opencubicplayer
<9> k
<5> madplay is another
<17> liable: so I installed etch, and it worked as a dream, without a slightest problem ;))
<17> now I have already some small progs installed like Tex or ghostview, and all
<17> (just finished)
<20> Yan^: good news.
<19> cmus would be yet another curses based player, sadly it's not yet included in debian...
<11> ahoy, my krfb (remote destop) keeps on crashing when used with "UltraVNC32" is there a different program that will not crash krfb?
<17> liable: so for the moment I am quite happy, and thanks for yesterday discussion, although the choir was telling me that etch would not help, ;))
<16> Would someone who is running Xorg 7 mind entering "man xorg.conf" at a prompt and telling me what happens?
<1> magyar: tightVNC
<17> by the way I like it much better than ubuntu
<21> I'm trying to do some simple bash, as although I am extremely competent at shell, I have never really created scripts. Anyway, I can't get the syntax for defining a variable correct (/bin/bash btw)
<21> myvar = 10; echo $myvar;
<22> Hey... newbie question that I didn't see (or missed) in the handbook... what's the best way to list off all the installed packages?
<17> liable: it seems to me it is much more calm
<1> jimmybgood: no manual entry
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