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<0> mhall: what doesnt kill me costs me money in this case
<1> !tell plb about bts
<2> that doc didnt help BTW
<1> plb: move your dotfiles out of the way and try again
<3> Supaplex: depends on what architectures you support, if you do main contrib or non-free etc.
<4> oh yeah
<3> Supaplex: why do you want to know
<4> I'm considering setting up a local mirror
<5> mhall: did that
<5> same thing
<3> why would you want to do that supaplex ?
<1> plb: damn
<1> !tell plb about sdn
<4> less wait on updates/downloads etc.
<0> I love this sticker I seen on the deoderant at the store.. it was boasting "Invisible Strength" I guess they just want you to take their word on that one.
<6> is it true that if i use "Option "NvAGP" "1"", i have to disable the agpgart module?
<1> plb: see if you can figure out what version ****s up
<6> for better performance
<5> mhall: its 1.5 in backports
<7> mhall: You can reportbugs to bts if you sources are from backports.org?
<3> Supaplex: run approx or apt-cache instead, it willi cache already downloaded packages, it's exactly what you want
<8> _unstable: no
<1> _unstable: no the idea was to *check* for bugs not *report* any
<1> plb: no the idea was to *check* for bugs not *report* any
<1> plb: you might have to build it from the source
<4> cisse: for multiple machines?
<7> plb: firefox from unstable works great for me, I wouldn't use backports ever. imho
<3> Supaplex: yep, you setup your sources.list to point to a single machine running approx or apt-cache, then it caches dowlnoaded packages =D
<1> _unstable: that can't be right
<9> _unstable: why would you never use backports.org?
<1> _unstable: firefox is C++ and unstable and sarge do not have the same C++ ABI
<5> mhall: I tried running it from the pkg provided on mozilla...i get the same thing
<10> which one is better? mambo server o joomla?
<7> thingfish: because I use unstable I don't need to.
<1> Sonny: backup softs?
<9> I would think one would be more likely to run things from backports, than from sid or etch.
<4> cool.
<9> _unstable: that's probably a good reason. :)
<3> Supaplex: it's super easy http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/338
<4> thanks!
<3> wow ok why did /boot completely and totally disappear from this machine
<1> plb: strace. ltrace. apt-get. man.
<8> cisse: rm -r /boot/ ?
<1> abrotman: lol
<3> abrotman: heh i wish i had done that it would be clearer what happened
<1> abrotman: i never have to worry about typing those out when you're here
<1> abrotman: you do it faster and better than i ever could
<10> mhall, I mean to make a web page.... mambo or joomla?
<1> abrotman: by the time i think of one to start typing, you hit return
<1> Sonny: oh content management
<10> mhall, yep
<1> Sonny: you have to be careful with PHP content management because of security holes. there is a site called opensourcecms that has live demos of every one you could imagine.
<1> Sonny: so you might google it up and play with it a while; that's the best i can tell you because i'm no web hacker
<11> CMSes are overrated
<11> i'm considering taking down the CMS at yics.org and replacing it with simple HTML+CSS
<8> mhall: i had my crack today
<11> i had some coffee and applesauce today...
<5> /join #backports
<5> argh
<11> mom's homemade applesauce = <3
<3> SerajewelKS: just use a CMS that lets you control the html + css
<5> damn
<10> mhall. I suppose that mambo server it well done right?.... and security tested
<1> Sonny: yes good testing is key, and you need to regularly patch and upgrade your **** of course
<1> Sonny: it also helps to read the apache 1/2 manual pages and write very good conf files
<11> cisse: meh... CMSes also hit the database server too often...
<1> Sonny: the better the conf files, the less crap people can hack
<1> SerajewelKS: good ones use PHP caching
<1> SerajewelKS: so, hit the servers once per page update which is thoroughly reasonable
<3> mmcache ++
<1> SerajewelKS: this is how ex. wikipedia stays functional despite horryfying traffic
<11> mhall: true.. still though for such a simple site as yics.org i don't think i need a full-blown cms
<12> how can I give a normal user access to /dev/input/js0?
<13> VERY bad sound with ALSA, OSS is ok tho... (via82xx) strange.
<11> marccd-g: man chgrp
<14> Good websites don't use PHP
<11> !start a language war
<15> BASIC is more efficient than C
<16> SerajewelKS, what is yics.org running on... a PII 166 ?
<12> SerajewelKS: yeah but will the perms change on reboot?
<11> bucky: whatever sf.net uses
<12> SerajewelKS: I believe hotplug handles it
<11> bucky: in other words, it's probably close to that, yeah
<13> what device in /dev does ALSA use for sound output?
<1> resiak: tell that to the corporations that have good luck with it
<11> marccd-g: TIAS
<14> mhall: It's a horrible crock of ****
<12> SerajewelKS: eh?
<11> !tias
<15> i guess tias is try it and see
<17> hi, is there an effort for fixing udev/kernel 2.6.15 packages bug on testing?
<1> resiak: that seems unfair
<11> dpkg: tias is also what you should have done first
<15> okay, SerajewelKS
<12> see #alsa oskie
<18> ey guys. i need some help with the debian installer
<13> marccd-g: thanks!
<3> resiak: what do good websites use, asp and jsp ?
<1> ~hello
<19> Howdy Bub
<18> im trying to use software raid on /
<11> cisse: html
<3> lol
<12> SerajewelKS: yeah whatever, fixed it by myself
<1> what's the difference these days between the dpkg and apt bots. practically nobody uses apt anymore
<18> is anyone here currently running md for the boot device?
<14> cisse: Perl and Python are both real programming languages, which haven't got moronic "design" decisions.
<11> marccd-g: see? you didn't need my help. =)
<18> using either the testing or stable installer?
<1> resiak: that's not true. both of them have horrible design decisions
<11> mhall: presumably, apt is here for when dpkg dies
<1> resiak: Perl has a thoroughly broken thread architecture
<11> mhall: and someone theoretically syncs their databases
<1> resiak: Python has completely pathological memory management
<1> SerajewelKS: ok cool
<17> when I do a apt-get dist-upgrade form sarge to etch, it dont work cause udev needs kernel-2.6.15 an kernel-2.6.15 needs udev. do you know the solution, please?
<3> resiak: hehe try not to make totally ignorant statements like that, it undermines your credibility
<4> and perl6 is still a dream
<11> mhall: s/theoretically/never/
<4> ... "I have a dream... "
<1> Supaplex: a sick and twisted one at that
<14> cisse: Magic Quotes. I rest my case
<11> bingo: install 2.6.15 before you dist-upgrade
<3> sigh you sound like a creationist
<3> you can't provide 1 example to make the whole thing bad
<14> *plonk*
<20> does anyone know why i can't "tar -xjvf" a .tar.bz2 file?
<11> time to head back to college...
<11> james__: because it's not a bzipped tar?
<7> james__: loose the -, just tar xvjf
<17> SerajewelKS, that what I do, but 2.6.15 dont want to be installed cause he needs udev
<1> !tell james__ about file
<4> james__: what's it do? does file(1) say it's bzipped?
<21> Need a good charting/piechart tool - OpenOffice isn't hacking it -- formats suitable for Scribus -- or did I miss something in Scribus?
<3> i would like to see a good python CMS
<4> cisse: would it require python?
<11> bingo: *shrug* you could force-depends on the kernel and do a dist-upgrade, then boot with the new kernel
<4> ;)
<11> bingo: don't take my word on that though, it could break your system
<20> I tried "tar xjvf" too, I downloaded two theme files for xfce in that format , and i can't extract both of theme
<1> cisse: i thought Zope was python
<7> james__: ie "tar xvjf file.bz2"
<11> _unstable: the - is optional. it won't hurt anything.
<3> mhall: it is, just not thrilled with it
<7> james__: What you type "file theme.bz2" what does the file command give you?
<17> SerajewelKS, dpkg -i force-all dont work for this problem
<22> Are there any programs that can be used to build a good list for sources.list ?
<1> cisse: i have not found a single one that was right for maintaining a simple site
<11> bingo: surely you mean 'dpkg --force-depends -i' ?
<3> mhall: too many paradigms
<1> cisse: i'm going to redo my site in a monospace font by hand with a register true layout
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