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<0> midi music doesn't actually sound half bad.
<1> which license is Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 distributed under?
<2> hello , is there a p2p streaming app for linux? (like TVUplayer in windows)
<3> gpl
<4> guys it is something wrong if I get the message: Filesystem too small for a journal??? when I am formating it? 13 GB HD?
<0> dbe: most of it is under the GPL.
<5> evilgeek: yeah, but it's not popular with the sheeple
<1> blondie, 100% GPL, no more or less?
<0> dbe: certain parts are under other licences, such as the apache and BSD licences.
<6> dbe: well, the docs might be gfdl
<7> abrotman: try again
<1> evilgeek, Creative commons for the documentation?
<8> kevinv: sounds reasonable. work up a patch!
<0> dbe: that again varies.
<0> dbe: there is a page on www.debian.org where a list of all acceptable licences is posted.
<1> evilgeek, which parts is distrubuted under the BSD/apache license (GPL-incompatible licenses)
<8> dbe: each pacakge in debian carries its own license, there is no license for all of debian
<0> dbe: apache, for instance.
<8> dbe: if you want to see the license of a particular package, get to its package page at http://pacakges.debian.org/packagename and click onthe "copyright file" link at the bottom
<0> what stew said.
<9> dbe: debian also has many non-free pre-compiled apps under other various licenses as well. for example, you can actually play MP3s under debian without modification unlike fedora and red hat. :D
<1> stew, right, so if an OS include Apache that part is under the apache licence becuase a OS build on many softwares
<10> dbe: which creative commons?
<0> dbe: define "OS".
<10> !OS
<11> i heard operating system is just that, a SYSTEM that lets you OPERATE with your machine. It's NOT a kernel. Linux is a kernel. GNU and GNU/Linux are Operating Systems.
<10> dpkg OS is also OPENSTEP
<11> tarzeau: okay
<3> huh
<1> like GNUstep
<0> that's an entirely useless definition.
<9> evilgeek: agreed very useless.
<6> In Testing, what is the compiler & version which maintainers use to compile the distribution's current kde packages? gcc 4.1? or is there no available resource with that info? (bar asking them directly of course)
<0> particularly since phrases such as "running on an OS" are quite commonplace when speaking of software.
<10> it's sometimes Open Source, too
<1> evilgeek, can you paste me the URL for Debians list of all acceptable licences? It would help me alot
<12> Anyone interested in donating to Cancer Research?
<0> dbe: i don't know it off-hand.
<9> question about qemu, is there someone that has a binary of kqemu?
<1> ***yKen, we support free software in first hand, only charityware if it is distributed as free software
<12> dbe: I am not quite sure if you understand ;-) https://www.kintera.org/faf/donorReg/donorPledge.asp?ievent=152626&lis=1&kntae152626=735E2FAE2939455F810578B5A43163EB&supId=131892758
<13> how to calculate the ofset in bytes of a given partition relatively to the beginning of the disk ?
<8> dbe: there isn't a comprehensive list, but read: /msg dpkg dfsg faq
<1> ***yKen, well, would you like to support me for fighting against the VeriChip Corporation then?
<12> dbe: This has nothing to do with supporting me. I dont have cancer.
<0> verichip?
<1> ***yKen, ok
<12> It also has nothing to do with business politics or anything like that.
<12> :-)
<1> evilgeek, http://www.spychips.com/press-releases/verichip-immigration.html
<12> Simply a question
<12> You can say no.
<0> oh, rats. they don't make potato chips.
<12> I dont mind.
<8> ***yKen: please keep it on topic
<8> ***yKen: soliciting donations in here is not appropriate
<12> I see.
<12> Sorry.
<1> thats what I tried to tell him
<14> I bet you 5 pounds that the USA won't win the World Cup.
<12> No you didn't.
<14> Could that be seen as soliciting donations? ;)
<0> damn, that's considerably creepier than potato chips.
<15> doublehp_: "disk -lu /dev/hda" to get the start sector, multiplied by the sector size?
<1> evilgeek, RFID, GIS and GPS Amalgamation is worse, back to topic
<16> How can i get the ATI Driver installer version 8.24 ???
<16> !ati
<11> wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx>
<17> Sirius: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
<16> thats for new version
<18> I chrooted into my debian testing to try to save it, but doing aptitude update I get Couldn't stat source package error
<6> exit
<13> dooglus: with cylinders first partition starts at 0, whereas using sectors it starts at 1 ... why that diff ?
<18> I don't have network inside chroot :/ hhheeelllppp
<15> doublehp_: I'm really no expert (hence the question mark on the end of my suggestion)
<8> roxy_: try running aptitude update again
<15> doublehp_: incidentally, mine don't start at zero at all: http://bigdogscock.pastebin.com/770799
<18> stew, when doing anything network related i get: GC: warning: Couldn't read /proc/stat
<8> roxy_: mount /proc
<16> Anyone know where i can download the older version of the Ati installer ver 8.24.x ?
<19> ask #ati
<13> dooglus: I use BSD disklabel on SCSI :S
<15> how much space does grub need to install its thing?
<15> I've never managed to get it working. could it be because I only have 32k available for it?
<18> stew, still no networking
<8> dooglus: for the /boot/grub dir?
<8> roxy_: is it still complaining about /proc?
<18> stew, no
<15> stew: no, for whatever it writes the special boot place (MBR? boot sector? I don't know...)
<13> dooglus: my 492K /boot/grub/
<8> dooglus: the boot sector is just one sector, 512 bytes
<13> stew: 510 :
<13> :)
<15> stew: so other than the 512 byte boot sector, and a regular linux partition with /boot/grub on it, that's all grub should need?
<20> why i am not able to make a audio cd with k3b from mp3 files ? what package do i need ?
<13> stew: BS is just 510B :D
<15> doublehp_: why 510? all sectors are 512, no?
<13> dooglus: you shall reserv room for kernels ... unless you put them on an other part
<8> dooglus: yeah, that should be all you need.
<15> doublehp_: I have one large linux partition with /boot as part of it - there's space for kernels in there. I'm wondering if grub uses anything other than the BS and /boot
<13> dooglus: a sector is 512, but the code for MBR on BS is 510B ... 2 last ones are a check-consrtant for BIOS security :) 0x55AA from memory
<15> stew: so any idea why it doesn't work?
<8> dooglus: is /boot on a separate partition?
<15> doublehp_: the last 2 bytes of the boot sector are checksum bytes, that's right
<15> doublehp_: but they're part of the boot sector, too
<21> apt-cache search uml <-- doesnt' show much; is uml support not in debian stable?
<13> dooglus: grub will take 500K on /boot (suports ext2 ext3 and XFS if primary ... xfs not suported on extended ... any way, just avoid xfs for /boot )
<18> stew, /etc/init.d/networking start doesn't complain
<15> stew: no, /boot is the same partition as everything else
<13> dooglus: to be precise, they are a check-cst, not a summ :)
<22> noapte bona
<15> stew: I have 3 root partitions (one for sid, one for ubuntu, and one that I don't use)
<8> dooglus: do you get an error running grub-install? what happens when you try to boot?
<13> dooglus: I usually allow 64M for /boot and ext2 (for compliance with more boot loaders: old lilo, silo, milo, aboot, grub, explore2fs ... )
<14> A normal user mounted /mnt/windows but cannot list it. root can list it.
<14> What's up?
<15> doublehp_: I don't have a separate /boot - it's part of /
<14> /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,user,auto 0 0
<19> ricky_clarkson: wrong perms on the mount point ?
<8> ricky_clarkson: check the permissions of /mnt/windows before you mount it
<15> stew: I can't remember. it renders the system unbootable, so I don't do it often. last time was over a year ago.
<18> when I want to remove udev, it wants to remove the only kernel I have :/
<13> dooglus: you should seperate /boot; that helps lilo not having kernel on partition ending after 1024, allows reiser/xfs /root or raided one, keeping /boot away from those issues
<15> doublehp_: 1024 is a sector number? or cylinder?
<14> abrotman: drwxr-xr-x
<13> dooglus: forgot
<15> ricky_clarkson: specify a umask
<19> !ntfsro
<11> add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
<8> roxy_: you have to install yaird to replace initramfs-tools, then make a new initrd
<14> fmask=0333,dmask=0222 looks alright.
<15> ricky_clarkson: I use "umask=0"
<14> dooglus: That worked, thanks.
<23> 'lo, it seems etch netinstall cd cannot detect my cdrom device,what can i do ?
<8> roxy_: "apt-get install udev- yaird" will switch yaird in for initramfs-tools, then "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" should build a new initrd with yaird
<24> hi
<25> hi
<24> did any of you installed pppoe + radius
<24> ??
<14> ukasz: Probably, just ask.
<15> doublehp_: is the 1024 limit really still an issue? I thought that was only for old HDDs?
<18> stew: thanks, i'll try tomorrow, I need some sleep
<24> i have installed radius from deb but there is no radius.so plugin for pppoe
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