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<0> mhall, er why the 192 all of a sudden?
<1> LinuxHelp: and it probably won't matter, but sometimes i've had problems with using other than default values
<2> SerajewelKS: But the kernel upgrade went well?
<3> madsen: the kernel upgrade was in fact flawless; after telling XP to reboot it got to kdm without anything out of the ordinary.
<1> LinuxHelp: some network hardware is not very intelligent and seems to misbehave if you pick unusual masks that aren't the ordinary cl*** A, B, or C.
<2> SerajewelKS: lol! Well, I'm glad everything worked out well.
<4> uhmm.... where do i find mkfs.vfat?
<1> LinuxHelp: note that 10.x.x.x networks are traditionally cl*** A and should have 255.0.0.0 as mask ideally
<3> madsen: yeah other times it hasn't, like when i mistype 'tar -xf' as 'tar -cf'
<2> SerajewelKS: Last time I upgraded the kernel on my server, it stopped recognizing the nic. :(
<2> SerajewelKS: Ouch!
<0> mhall, basically it seems that only traffic THROUGH my "gateway" works
<3> madsen: yeah that would ****
<0> but not TO it
<1> LinuxHelp: that's why i'm concerned about your netmasks and routing
<1> LinuxHelp: i'd go to the most default, obvious, foolprof config
<1> LinuxHelp: then slowly complicate it as you prove it works
<2> SerajewelKS: Apart from that, it's been running great there (in my closet) for 3 years. :)
<3> madsen: actually i recovered much of the data (was a backup of ~) by writing a C program to look over a device file for anything that looked like a tar header and throwing them all into a file
<2> SerajewelKS: Nice move!
<1> LinuxHelp: and fwiw, the most foolproof one there is is 192.168.0.1 with mask 255.255.255.0 and bcast 192.168.0.255
<2> SerajewelKS: Hmm, init 2 does exactly nothing.
<3> madsen: it was a quick hack but it got back most of my stuff. anything that was fragmented on the FS was of course lost for the most part, where the data stops and the garbage begins.
<3> madsen: but things like source files were all there without exception
<1> LinuxHelp: believe me i wish i were there to help in person, i could do a lot more for you
<2> SerajewelKS: cool!
<3> madsen: hrm, try remounting then?
<3> maybe it's init 1, i can never remember
<1> LinuxHelp: but i hope for the love of $DEITY, that my odd rambling gave you at least a few leads
<2> SerajewelKS: I did, it refuses.
<3> madsen: though i think init 1 is single-user maintenance mode
<0> mhall, I'm handing out free ssh logins :)
<1> LinuxHelp: if not i'm sorry for typing your retin to death
<3> madsen: yea you probably need to init 1, which might kill ssh
<3> LinuxHelp: why the **** would you do that
<2> SerajewelKS: Tired 'init S', which (effectively) does the same as 'init 2', i.e. nothing.
<2> s/Tired/Tried/
<0> SerajewelKS, lol
<3> LinuxHelp: that's a way of saying "hay, spam from my box! rape my connection!"
<1> LinuxHelp: i really need sleep. i'm gonna go to bed. it's past 4 am
<0> noo
<5> hi all
<3> madsen: 'init 1' and if ssh goes down go hit the reset button on the box
<3> madsen: is / ext3?
<2> SerajewelKS: Yeah, and yeah.
<0> mhall, hmm, it almost seems to work better with 255.0.0.0
<3> madsen: ok so it shouldn't do an fsck then if you need to hard boot it
<5> I like debian more than all the other distros I've tried but do you guys think I would be ok for my 233mhz 6mb ram 2GB hdd laptop?
<6> no
<3> n-10: if you're not going to use X, it might
<2> SerajewelKS: init 1 does nada too.
<5> No i'll use x
<6> n-10: 6 Mb RAM is almost nothing
<3> n-10: then no ****ing way
<5> curently I'm running freebsd on it
<2> SerajewelKS: init 1 killed ssh. :(
<5> but I want to move to linux
<3> madsen: yup
<3> n-10: try LFS or DSL
<5> oh sry
<5> 64mb
<2> SerajewelKS: Well, I better see if I can find a monitor. Thanks for the help! :)
<3> n-10: oh haha
<3> n-10: then yeah it should work fine ;)
<5> ok thanks
<3> n-10: i'd worry more about the HD, 2gb is pretty small to cram much stuff
<2> SerajewelKS: (I have to fix it fast - I have an appointment with some beer soon.)
<3> n-10: install only what you need... just the minimal system and specific packages
<3> madsen: truck a monitor to it then
<6> n-10: even with 64 MB you will get problems (KDE, GNOME or firefox use plenty of RAM)
<5> only fluxbox and links for me
<6> n-10: that's ok then.
<7> heh
<7> we should have a stats bot in here
<7> see who the most active people are
<6> !debstats
<8> hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/
<3> ****, how is konsole using 28 megs of RAM in X server resources
<5> does debian have uptodate packages or will I have to make from source to get the latest
<6> n-10: for a start just use sarge/stable and backports (/msg dpkg backports)
<9> SerajewelKS, http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html
<3> sep: nono something *is* wrong here, kwin and konsole are highest in top for mem usage, and they have a bunch of **** in X server resources (according to xrestop)
<3> sep: i'm using 480mb/1024mb of RAM (minus caches)! and running only konsole, gaim, firefox, and azureus
<3> sep: usually it's around 80-120 with these programs
<3> sep: i suspect KDE memory leaks since i played with widget styles and decorations for a good hour
<4> how can i find out the volume-id of a vfat-partition?
<7> SerajewelKS: so tell the people in #kde
<3> Shadowcat: it was a general observation
<3> konsole is using 28.5mb in X resources, not in top. so i don't think that article applies. (informative though)
<10> Hello, I just updated apt, and it removed xorg and replaced it with xcommon (or something like that)
<10> IT aslo renderend my fonts a bit shoddily (unless a X reboot is rewuired)
<10> Any ideas?
<11> don't use unstable/testing if you don't follow the usual mailinglists :)
<12> How do I shrink an ext3 filesystem?
<3> redblades: you didn't update apt, you upgraded your system to the latest testing
<13> I have manage to autostart kde on bootup but the keyboard does not work to write Username or P***word.
<10> Sorry,
<3> redblades: which migrated from X.org 6.9 to X.org 7
<10> that's what I meant
<10> Oh
<10> but it said it was installing common
<3> redblades: you don't know what common is, do you
<10> no idea
<10> do share
<3> goron: gparted or somesuch
<3> redblades: it's common libraries that are shared between lots of X things
<10> oh
<14> SerajewelKS: It bears mentioning that both firefox and azureus will expand to fill available memory :P
<10> so, not the other server?
<3> pipeline: yes, they do
<14> SerajewelKS: What's much more interesting is what happens if you only have 64M of RAM and start firefox: it still consumes 100+ M :)
<3> redblades: no. you are using X.org
<10> not \the one with licencing issues
<10> thanks
<10> I'm using KDE
<3> redblades: ok
<10> It's taking a bit of re-adjusting
<10> I like it though
<10> what do you use?
<3> redblades: KDE
<13> SerajewelKS: I have remove my startup script and after kdm installation kde can autostart and probs for Username and P***word but my keyboard does not work anymore
<3> !drxx Neeesat25
<8> Neeesat25: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
<3> Neeesat25: run that and reconfigure the keyboard and mouse. it should auto-detect them.
<12> Can I unmount /tmp while being in gparted? Or will that crash e.g. KDE?
<3> goron: why would you need to
<12> SerajewelKS: I want to resize /tmp because I allocated way too much space for it in my LVM setup.
<3> goron: yeah you'll need to umount it, and it will likely confuse a lot of apps. if the kernel lets you do it at all, which it won't.
<10> SerajewelKS: About the text thing... will it go back to normal afetr an X restart?
<3> redblades: you upgraded X without restarting it?
<10> SerajewelKS, yeah, is that an issue?
<3> redblades: well it would probably be a good idea to restart it...
<3> redblades: which driver are you using for video
<15> hi, i downloaded debian-31r2-ia64-netinst.iso, burned it, and rebooted my new intel 940 (DC, 64 bit) machine, but the bios complains: it is not bootable. same for the i386 version of the netinst iso... the knoppix cd boots though...
<10> Wait, I'm obviously going to, but It's downloading some stuff, it can wait, right?
<3> redblades: probably but things might break
<16> why debian doesnt support the 1280x800 or my laptop and it only supports 1024x768 ?
<12> SerajewelKS: I chose LVM just to be able to do these things simple.... and now you tell me that's impossible?
<16> or=of
<10> also, if I just install the very base Debian system (without X, or a DE)
<10> Round abouts how big is the new installation?
<12> Bombo: Most likely you makde a mistake.
<3> redblades: probably under 1g, not sure exactly
<10> I'm planing to set up a computer from some old parts and have my server running seperately
<10> 1g?
<3> goron: well the LVM has no problems resizing the raw partition
<10> cool
<17> hey any of you Dell Poweredge Linux users?
<3> goron: but you need to resize the filesystem too, and there's really no way to resize that while the kernel has it mounted
<12> SerajewelKS: the "raw" partition?
<15> goron: i burned the netinst.iso the same way as knoppix.iso, with nero (win)
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