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<wireddd> bbiab gotta swap that cpu fan on my router
<kevix> peterS: so the bug is for people compiling X stuff, not for people install x
<rabies> peterS: i thought the modular X tree was still in development
<peterS> rabies: by having hundreds of little packages instead of one big package, different people can work on the different packages more easily, and maintain them separately, and compile them separately, and all that. it's a big step forward.
<peterS> rabies: 7.0 *is* the modular tree.
<rabies> peterS: oohhhh
<fireba11> jm_ didn't get anything on the german mailing list i think
<rabies> peterS: the freedesktop.org one?
<peterS> kevix: well, or installing other -dev packages that depend on xlibs-dev
<rabies> peterS: or an independent xorg one?
<peterS> kevix: the main problem is "build-depends: xlibs-dev", but there is still some "Depends: xlibs-dev" out there that also needs to be fixed
<kevix> peterS: it would seem a 'nmu to fix the build-dep'?
<rabies> peterS: soo many packages, so little time, heh
<peterS> rabies: x.org and freedesktop.org are really the same people. there are different X server products people are working on, but I think they share everything else about X
<jm_> fireba11: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html
<peterS> kevix: for the most part that's all that is needed. just replace xlibs-dev with "libx11-dev, libxt-dev, libxaw7-dev, libxpm-dev" to pick one example package (one of my own that I had to fix awhile back)
<rabies> peterS: nice
<rabies> peterS: cant wait for Y ;)
<peterS> kevix: the reason I had to fix that one is that David was sponsoring my package, so he insisted that I fix it (:
<peterS> rabies: someone at hungry.com started writing Y many years ago, but I don't think anything ever came of it
<kevix> peterS: there are a few of these 'transitions' going on. this is just one x-)
<rabies> peterS: meant it as a joke, but that works too
<peterS> kevix: it's a big one, but for the most part a pretty trivial one. the bugs are easy to NMU-fix, and lots of people have done exactly that in the past couple of months
<Sonny> hi do you know how can I set Firefox as default web browser in KDE?
<rabies> peterS: Z then
<fireba11> jm_ thanks .. seems like it will still be quite a while ...
<kevix> peterS: gravity likes to keep his 'momentum' going....
<jm_> Sonny: also ask in #debian-kde or #kde
<peterS> rabies: right, just saying, someone else had the same name idea. I think Andrew Suffield (asuffield on irc) did some work on Y. he's better known now as a Debian developer and one of the people who maintains the IRC server code we're talking on right now
<kevix> peterS: FTHCA ....
<rabies> peterS: so a good number of the peeps i've talked to on here are debian developers, go figure...
<peterS> rabies: not all that many, but there are several on this channel
<liable> Sonny: update-alternatives should do it.
<Sonny> liable: is that a command?
<rabies> peterS: there an alternative that isnt server/client based?
<jm_> peterS: is he still working on it? I thought they switched to hyperion
<peterS> rabies: a realistic alternative? not that I know of. there is gtk for framebuffer, which is used on some single-user setups like OS installers
<Sonny> liable: thanks I'm reading the man
<rabies> peterS: ugh
<peterS> rabies: that's done not because it's faster or anything, but because it's smaller - bringing up an X server isn't quite realistic in that environment
<rabies> peterS: or needed i suppose
<peterS> rabies: well, possibly - but I'm not sure it's *easier* to do gtk on framebuffer than gtk on X
<peterS> I've never looked into it, to be honest
<peterS> jm_: hmmm, I believe hyperion is based on dancer-ircd, but I have no idea if asuffield is still involved in hyperion development
<jm_> peterS: yeah it is, their README lists 5 people, but not him
<peterS> ok then
<rabies> well night!
<wireddd> aparently coolermasters weren't ment to last for 6 years
<jm_> I'm sure they're happy to sell you a new one after 3 years ;)
<peterS> these days computers are supposed to be replaced after 3-5 years, why would a fan have to last more than 6?
<kevix> peterS: did you hear about the proposed law in japan to make it illegal to sell used hw after a few years?
<peterS> kevix: nope. sounds pretty silly
<xoz> kevix: really?
<wireddd> when were 1 ghz athlons the fastest you could get
<tux> dose dpkg the bot only work in this channel or all the channels or only debian channels?
<kevix> xoz: I read about it on boingboing.net a week ago, iirc
<xoz> kevix: ill check.
<peterS> tux: certain channels, about half a dozen, I believe
<jm_> yeah I think The Inquirer also had that story, or was it The Register
<tux> i input !flood but nothing appears in #debian-zh
<peterS> tux: including #debian on irc.oftc.net
<whatswithumans> Does anyone know how to set up the apache2 http server configuration file???????
<Rune-> with apt-get, how do i 'clean' something after it's been removed? ie, i removed apache package, delete /etc/apachge, reinstall, but it says: Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache/httpd.conf
<SlayerXP> whatswithumans: no, no-one does.
<Rune-> (for all the config fileS)
<liable> Sonny: yes, man update-alternatives, but the actuall command is update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
<tux> peterS, is !flood a feature of dpkg?
<peterS> whatswithumans: the file is /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and related files in /etc/apache2, and you can get lots of info from http://httpd.apache.org/
<Sonny> liable thanks
<peterS> tux: I've never heard of it, what do you think it should do?
<jm_> Rune-: use --purge when removing it, or use aptitude purge foo if you are using aptitude
<Rune-> thanks
<kevix> Rune-: read about purge and remove in 'man apt'
<tux> peterS, will !flood output sth in the canal, #debian and #debian-zh?
<peterS> tux: why would you want to do that?
<peterS> tux: or, to put it another way, why would we want to make it easy for someone to do that?
<Rune-> and ffs, what's the up key in debian's more?
<Sonny> liable: how can I see the whole alternatives that I can use with update-alternatives?
<JacentyK> potrzebuje pomocy
<xoz> kevix: ah, items older than 5 years. great ripoff for the retailers.
<jm_> Rune-: vi scrolling keys work, then there's h for help
<tux> peterS, I dunno. seems !tell do not work in #debian-zh. I dunno here. :(
<JacentyK> 'I need help about HTB
<jm_> Sonny: ls /etc/alternatives
<Rune-> jm_ not sure why but 'b' doesn't scroll back
<JacentyK> Hi
<JacentyK> I need Help about HTB
<jm_> Rune-: it does for me
<Rune-> jm_ default install with ssh? or desktop?
<jm_> Rune-: I am not sure what you're asking me there - if I'm connected via ssh and trying 'b' in more?
<Rune-> man, version 2.4.2, 2003-09-20
<Rune-> jm_ yes im asking if that works
<jm_> Rune-: yes it does
<Rune-> :(
<chaun> Anyone Know How To Enable uPnP Port Forwarding In Debian?
<Rune-> well, it's not my b key!
<jm_> chaun: you can do it the same way Shorewall does it
<Cope> ~polls
<apt> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. Usually, people other than those with the exact same set up can help you and those who have sometimes will not be able to help you. Also see <ask>
<Cope> !badpolls
<Rune-> where can i download that bot
<jm_> /msg dpkg blootbot
<jm_> /msg dpkg my factoids
<JacentyK> bye
<jm_> it's packaged in Debian
<peterS> it's sort of packaged in debian
<peterS> the ones running in here are somewhat customized locally
<SPF> how do I add both eth0 and eth1 to auto dhcp? I already added both in interfaces and tried networking restart
<chaun> chaun: you can do it the same way Shorewall does it
<chaun> what does that mean ?: ]
<tux> SPF, auto eth0 eth1
<SPF> tux, I changed interfaces (auto eth0 eth1), but after networking restart still no ip is given
<tux> SPF ifconfig shows what?
<SPF> only lo
<wq> does anyone know how to build NAT by iptables ? i feel a little hard thanks
<jes-o-mat> wq: what are you trying to achive?
<sett> read the ip tables tutorial and search google for nat examples
<wq> i want to build a router, i have only one ip
<Sonny> do you know how to use jigdo in debian,, the old link is broken
<Fox> hi
<tux> hi
<jcwong> Hi, I got this msg when running lilo, Warning: CHANGE AUTOMATIC ***umed after "other=/dev/hda2" Added WinXP. Is that latest changelog on lilo sid?
<SPF> tux: any idea?
<ma3x> what's better, encoding with divx or xvid?
<tux> SPF, would you paste your interfaces file to #flood
<jes-o-mat> wq: what is your internal LAN interface and what is your external interface?
<SPF> k
<wq> i get internet by lan
<bowman> good morning :-) one little question, I'm trying to find php5-mcrypt for testing, which is obviously not in the current official debian repositories. do I really have to use an unofficial package?
<jes-o-mat> wq: anyhow you have an internal interface and an external
<SPF> tux: done
<tux> SPF, i just get in. once agin?
<SPF> k
<wq> jes-o-mat: yes, i have two cards
<jes-o-mat> and which one is internal and which external?
<wq> jes-o-mat: eth0 is ex~ ;eth1 is inter~
<tux> SPF, maybe you have to specify your gateway and netmask?
<tarzeau> can i install perl modules in some user directory for my user only?
<SPF> no, cuz dhclient will get those from dhcp server
<SPF> manually works fine here, but auto dhcp doesnt work
<jes-o-mat> wq: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
<tux> SPF, dunno
<jes-o-mat> wq: and echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
<wq> jes-o-mat : really? thaks . i use eth0 to connect with internet
<wq> jes-o-mat:yes,i opened the ip_forward
<jes-o-mat> wq: that rule does the following: all that is going out through eth0 is being masqueraded
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