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<0> im setting up postfix with cyrus imap
<1> thctlo2, dunno
<0> to bad, google did not give me an answare.
<0> mayby somebody knows a bit later when europe is going to work ;-)
<2> thctlo2: europe works already
<3> thctlo2: if a ulimit as been set on that shell, setting it to -1 will not work unless master is running as root.
<2> thctlo2: some people since 3 hours, most at least in 20 minutes
<0> not my new boss , he starts at 09:00 :D
<0> this boss starts at 8:15 ;-)
<2> thctlo2: which country? what business?
<4> where can i get maven?
<0> i live in holland ( the netherlands) , i cant discripe my bussnes in english
<0> we collect money in short
<0> lix a tax man
<5> does this bug affect any other window managers? specifically, im trying to figure out if there is some 'root' script that was used as the basis for multiple wms menu scripts that is itself buggy. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=309829
<0> whats maven kenboo
<0> kenboo: i think you should look here: http://maven-plugins.sourceforge.net/maven-deb-plugin/index.html
<4> that sounds like a plugin..
<0> and the binary here: http://ftp.arege.jp/debian-arege/dists/sarge/maven/binary-i386/
<6> i have a file that has a space as the first character of its file name
<0> but that one is a bit old i think
<6> how do i list it with ls?
<5> Keefe: backslash space
<0> ls -al " filename" ?
<6> hold on
<4> hmm debian and java aren't good friends..
<2> kenboo: not debian's fault
<7> !java
<8> it has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>.
<2> kenboo: besides, what importance has java? likely none
<4> well i wouldn't discuss about it.
<7> kenboo: there are folks in the debian java group making things as easy as possible
<4> kevix do they have a web site?
<7> !install java
<8> First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package.
<7> !java-package
<8> java-package is probably a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb;
<9> kevix: that's not close to "easy".
<7> doleyb: when java is opensource, it will be. now this makes it eaiser....
<0> creating a sun java deb is so easy with java-package.
<7> doleyb: steve kemp has a great site @ debian-administration.org read his article on it
<9> if java-package actually stayed up to date with what sun.com names its distribs, then maybe...
<5> java is the only thing harder than nvidia drivers to work with in debian
<2> sparr: both are not very portable
<9> tarzeau: but for a certain common target (x86), there is a well-known way to do it, which could be more automatic than it is.
<5> tarzeau: it has more to do with debians moral commitments. i have zero issues with them in less picky distros
<10> I have zero issues with them in Debian
<2> doleyb: not so for gnu/hurd or gnu/kfreebsd
<2> sparr: i have no issues with debian and java here either
<9> tarzeau: those are not common targets
<2> sparr: what distros are you talking about?
<2> jm_: what about debian and non-free ati/nvidia drivers?
<9> tarzeau: gentoo, for example, transparently gets the external packages. You hardly know it's not proper native package.
<0> nvidia drivers with debian is also easy
<2> jm_: i've got so much problems with those
<5> jm_: never had module-***istant skip building a new driver because the old one is already built?
<2> thctlo2: do you run them for alot of workstations, fully automatic?
<5> tarzeau: gentoo in particular. slackware seemed to work ok too
<0> just get the .bin file from Nvidia and run in , change nv to nvidea in /etc/X11/XF86-Config-4
<0> and restart x .
<0> thats is
<0> it
<2> thctlo2: no, that's not i
<2> it
<10> sparr: nope
<2> thctlo2: if only it was that simple, pity it is not so
<0> i always do it this way and this works very good
<10> tarzeau: nvidia works fine for me
<2> thctlo2: you'll want to have the right kernel, and also add more files for x
<0> not me
<2> jm_: i didn't manage to install it automatic still, manual worked (but sometimes doesn't) i really hate it
<5> jm_: lucky. bet youve never tried to downgrade nvidia drivers either? or had apt upgrade nvidia-glx before you rebuild nvidia-kernel so all your opengl apps stop working?
<9> thctlo2: your method won't turn on the 3d accerlation features, you need to edit XF86-Config-4 in more places.
<0> just dont use the nvidia files from debian
<0> ow yes i have 3d accerlarion, i can run UT2004 on this
<11> why not? seems to work..
<5> jm_: that last bit is particularly annoying
<10> sparr: I can't downgrade it seeing that there's only one version in Sarge. I will see if I face this issue when dist-upgrading next time.
<12> thctlo2: the nvidia files from debian work just fine if you know how to use them properly
<9> SerajewelKS: the fact that functionality depends on him having "proper" knowledge is a symptom of insufficient automation.
<12> doleyb: then he should be using windows, where everything is done for him
<13> tarzeau: moin, where is MY 'lspci -n'?
<12> doleyb: i find 'm-a a-i nvidia' quite simple, but meh. stupid is as stupid does.
<7> streuner: did you lose 'lspci'?
<9> SerajewelKS: just module-***istant is not enough.
<12> doleyb: oh?
<7> doleyb: you mean installing the nvidia and kernel packages?
<2> streuner: arf... i didn't boot into linux... windows xp has a nicer MSN, heh
<0> doleyb: just try my method and you will see it works.
<12> doleyb: of course you need build-essential, but is that what you're referring to?
<12> !nvidial installer
<12> !nvidia installer
<8> nvidia installer is, like, a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia"
<0> the only thing is the driver of nvidia, is only working on GF3+
<2> streuner: i tried to boot into debian gnu/kfreebsd, but didn't manage it for some reason the root fs couln't be mounted... i'll need to check this further
<14> tarzeau: what is your root filesystem?
<2> nevyn: /dev/ad6s1
<2> nevyn: the install didn't change. i've also got debian gnu/linux and windows xp
<14> not what device.. what filesystem ;)
<2> nevyn: xp had also a problem to boot, reboot button fixed it. i had to fix the boot grub menu, i'll need to check what it was on the freebsd system, which i didn't manage to look into yet (ufs2)
<15> dpkg: no, nvidia installer is <reply> see nvidia-installer
<8> okay, cheal
<2> nevyn: ufs2, debian gnu/kfreebsd. sata2 or 3
<15> !nvidia installer
<8> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner>
<14> cheal: if you want to push proprietary crap at least /msg the bots
<15> nevyn: heh
<15> dpkg: GO NVIDIA!
<16> peterS guess what!
<17> ircdevil: what..
<16> peterS: i got two new mice by mail the other day. woking mice!
<16> err working
<12> nevyn: so i ***ume you like the open-source nvidia drivers that can't do ****?
<17> ircdevil: those 3000 dpi mice?
<17> or was it 2000 dpi
<16> peterS: yup
<14> SerajewelKS: I don't like nvidia at all pretty much
<16> 2000 dpi
<12> nevyn: so what do you use?
<17> ircdevil: how much did that 2000 dpi mouse cost? I would like to test one some time, with mouse-related software I write / support
<10> maybe he'll buy that open source card if it ever gets released ;)
<14> SerajewelKS: ati r200 right now.. and a 915 in my laptop
<14> and matrox G400 for the mythfrontend box
<12> nevyn: i specifically avoid ATI because their linux drivers ****
<7> would it be cool to add a rss headline reader into irc
<10> SerajewelKS: they ****ed majorly in Windows too in the past, not quite sure about current status
<17> kevix: what, a bot that posts RSS headlines to a specific channel? it might be useful
<7> peterS: multi-tasking
<12> jm_: if you've been here recently, it seems the latest driver has some breakage with certain cards
<12> jm_: i see many more problems with ATI cards in #debian than nvidia
<16> peterS: around 25$ - of cause, the two new mice i got for free. i didnt even have to prove that i had bought their mice, or send them the defect ones ...
<10> SerajewelKS: I know, that's why I avoid ATI too
<14> SerajewelKS: their history of co-operation with the free software community (Xorg/Xfree86) is better than nvidia's
<10> bwahaha you must be joking
<12> nevyn: yeah, but nvidia puts out a linux driver that... let's see... works
<14> SerajewelKS: until you need to talk to lkml about pretty much anything
<12> nevyn: if i'm shelling out $150+ for a card i want something that's going to work
<12> nevyn: what?
<17> ircdevil: I should look into it. unfortunately I'm low on discretionary income, and the people I'm writing this for are not likely to want to spend the money either, little though it be
<14> SerajewelKS: if you want to run proprietary software run proprietary software but by hooking proprietary software to a free software system you get all the disadvantages of proprietary software combined with the disadvantages of free software.
<12> nevyn: that statement is a load of ****
<16> peterS: you could write them and say you got a faulty mouse ... they may send you one free of charge :o)))))
<14> SerajewelKS: not really.
<12> nevyn: for something major, like my desktop environment, maybe. for a video card driver, certainly not. unless the driver ****s (e.g. ati).
<7> nevyn: there is only 1 RMS
<17> ircdevil: yeah I could, if I were that guy, but I'm not that guy
<12> nevyn: granted if nvidia put out a driver that was open-source and did as good a job as the commercial one, sure i'd use it. but my options are limited. nvidia: proprietary driver that works, ati: proprietary driver that breaks often, anything else: no driver at all. pick one.
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