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Comments:
<0> dinamic: which part?
<1> and what?
<2> stew: the part concerning drm
<1> fantasma: did it work ?
<3> abrotman: yah...THANK you
<2> stew: a copyleft license is incompatible with DRM, because DRM forbids derivative works
<2> so it's not correct say: the license is not compatible because the license contains an anti-drm clause
<2> stew, what do you think about?
<0> dinamic: if a license tries to limit your freedom to redistribute work it fails the dfsg. it has nothing necessarily to do with DRM
<3> ahhh xchat
<2> stew, but DRM limits your freedom
<3> damn irssi
<4> fantasma: If I could use xchat in screen, I would :P
<0> dinamic: which drm?
<0> dinamic: which license are you talking about specifically?
<3> pipeline, :P, i still like irssi
<1> pipeline: you can i think .. kind of
<2> creative commons by-sa
<4> abrotman: xmove need not apply :P
<0> dinamic: yes. debian won't include software under creative commons sa
<3> how do I get dpkg to tell me the nvidia one-liner?
<0> dinamic: not becuase of drm, becuase the license is considered non-free
<2> stew, I know, but I don't understand the argument
<5> how can I check in my debian box if my mobo supports sata 300 ???
<2> the argument about drm
<2> only that
<6> dpkg -l | grep nvidia
<0> dinamic: one of the many arguments against cc sa is that i am not allowed "publicly display" the work. limiting my freedom in this way is not consistent with the dfsg, which says the work must be freely redistributable
<1> pipeline: i thought there was some kind of proxy thing you could do
<3> abrotman, could you send me the nvidia one-liner?
<4> abrotman: That's probably xmove. It's a proxy that allows you to change displays for xclients.
<2> stew, ok, I know, but I don't understand the argument about drm clause
<1> fantasma: i would if the bot were alive
<3> how did he die
<1> fantasma: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=nvidia%20one-liner
<1> fantasma: too many burritos
<3> lol
<0> dinamic: the cc sa license does not mention a DRM. It has nothing to do with a drm. the author of the license sumarry probably shouldn't have mentioned drm.
<2> stew, You may not distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform the Work with any technological measures that control access or use of the Work in a manner inconsistent with the terms of this License Agreement.
<0> dinamic: Limiting freedoms in this way is not consistent with the dfsg <-- do you understand what i mean there?
<0> dinamic: if i'm not allowed to display the work publicly, it can't be in debian becuase that is too great of a restriction
<2> yes: but the problem is also this: If a licensee is unable to experiment with porting or incorporating works into these platforms, there is a significant limit on their freedom to use the original work. Don't get too caught up in numbers, though; if just one person is unable to experiment with just one platform because of an anti-DRM clause, there's a significant restriction of freedom.
<2> vagueness is a problem
<2> DRM-only platforms are another problem
<7> eh
<5> how can I check in my debian box if my mobo supports sata 300 ???
<2> I don't understand the second problem
<7> some third party blocking use of their platform isn't OSS developers' problem
<7> dinamic: you could argue BSD vs GPL licenses
<2> blondie, prodromou said that a license compatible with debian guidelines must be compatible with drm
<7> really
<2> otherwise it is not possible develop a program for that platforms
<0> dinamic: it sounds like maybe you should just be asking the author if you want clarifications on what he has written
<7> debian doesn't have to support such platforms?
<2> blondie: debian can support that platforms
<2> for this reason prodromou say that
<7> dinamic: I have no idea what you're trying to say
<7> and I don't know or care who "prodromou" is
<2> blondie: he's a important person in debian
<2> debian community
<3> is there a contrib and non-free for unstable?
<2> perhaps you are not an important person
<8> fantasma: of course
<2> but he is
<7> dinamic: piss off
<9> so.... we've moved to oftc then?
<3> RichiH, W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/contrib P
<3> ackages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_bina
<3> ry-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
<2> i think that prodromous maked an error
<7> Daedalus_: have you?
<9> No
<1> Daedalus_: not really .. the CNAME moved
<8> deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
<9> Right... what's the outlook for the freenode chan? I read all the docs linked in the topic.
<10> you don't need to run base-config with debootstrap on unstable ?
<8> fantasma: i just updated, too
<3> RichiH, basically replace unstable with sid?
<2> copyleft licenses with anti-drm clause are compatible with debian guidelines
<2> imho
<8> fantasma: should work with unstable, too
<2> thi is the question
<8> dinamic: there is always the chance of a GR, too
<3> RichiH, i have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
<11> whehoo so I installed debian for the
<11> first time in my life!!!
<12> fantasma, remove non-free if you want to make sure that you only using free software
<7> Daedalus_: the other #debian ****s! :P
<8> fantasma: try with ftp.$othercountry.d.o
<13> dinamic: I think the main problem of anti-drm clauses (in gfdl for example) is that it limits the distribution too much, like not allowing any technological measures for controlling access -> some read it as disallowing even chmod
<11> only so far I only have minimal install, How do I get the GUI and the rest of it?
<2> Trewas, but gfdl is officially compatible with debian guidelines!
<8> Trewas: drm can easily be defined as access control that overrides the wishes of the root user on $machine, though
<13> dinamic: yes, common sense prevailed but it was heavily discussed at least in debian-legal
<8> though you can get into trouble with ACLs and SE, that way
<14> abrotman, okay... it's very difficult. can you help me? please... :(
<2> Trewas, what do you think about a not vague anti-drm clause?
<15> what xorg package do i need on testing for enabling dri?
<16> xorg-base
<15> the package with the driver for i915 3d acceleration, what is it's name?
<1> Alex_BO: lartc.org and netfilter.org should have more than enough docs to help you
<4> callee: the driver name is i810
<1> callee: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
<15> pipeline: thats only for 2d
<1> no . it's for 3d
<14> abrotman, yes i know... but i need examples... :(
<4> callee: No.
<14> abrotman, what should i use? ip tunnel?
<13> dinamic: not anything really... but I'd ***ume such clause would be ok for debian as GFDL was accepted
<11> hey, can someone give me some tips on how to get my fresh debian installation configured?
<0> adggg: specifically waht needs configuring?
<11> how do I download the rest of what I need?
<0> adggg: if you need to install more software, try the aptitude tool
<11> so far I just have a login from a minimal CD install
<11> stew: that's it, I couldn't get the aptitude tool to work
<3> can I switch from using aptitude and apt-get for different things
<0> adggg: what didn't work?
<11> stew: apt said it couldn't find network
<11> stew: so either my hardware isn't config'd right, or I did something wrong
<0> adggg: when you run "ping 128.2.2.2" do you get replies?
<11> maybe it's easier to put the files I need onto a USB stick, and load the rest?
<11> stew: hold on, checking
<1> Alex_BO: netfilter.org has examples
<0> fantasma: i didn't understand your question
<11> stew: "network is unreachable", but that might be because I only have one ethernet plug (the one I'm using right now on another machine)
<3> stew, can i use aptitude for some things and apt-get for others w/o harm?
<2> Trewas, anti-drm clause of GFDL is ok but anti-drm clause of cc-by-sa is not, why?
<11> stew: I would have to unplug from this machine first to test network on that machine....
<13> dinamic: you are talking about http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary?
<0> adggg: it sounds like you need to setup /etc/network/interfaces ; man interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces
<11> stew: how?
<0> dinamic: which clause of the gfdl are you talking about?
<0> adggg: editor /etc/network/interfaces
<13> dinamic: if so, then the problem in the license is that "You may not distribute ... with any technological measures that control access", which seems to disallow any private (encrypted) distribution
<0> fantasma: the problem is that aptitude tries to keep track of which packages were installed as dependencies and which you specifically requested. if you use apt-get it doesn't get this information. it should in general be ok but just keep an eye on aptitude when it starts trying to remove pacakges
<17> why isnt my other harddisk not appearing on my debian system after i install debian.
<17> i done a cfdisk and it shows only hda and didnt show hdb
<18> adggg: do you usually use DHCP ? If so, and you chose "automatic" in the netinstall networking should just work (when you plug it in!)
<19> using etch, having a problem getting nvidia latest driver to work with the new xorg (7.0). the driver in nvidia-glx package is no good for my video card. can anyone help?
<2> Trewas, ok, the vagueness, but what about the other problem?
<2> drm-platforms
<1> omry: check the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
<19> abrotman, having a look, thanks.
<20> Hi, i got debian and i want to install an eggdrop, but when i compile it it says: Tcl cannot be found on this system. can anyone tell me please how could i install tcl ? because i tryed more commands and it didn't really work
<11> gnufan: maybe I made a mistake there and didn't choose automatic (I got rid of the other problems, though)
<11> so what do I do now?
<11> can I go back to "automatic" somehow?
<18> adggg: well it usually remembers the networking options you give it, so hopefully it'll just work.
<11> I have IP addresses, DNS servers & DHCP address
<0> !wayc xchat
<11> gnufan: for some reason it didn't work when I last tried
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