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<0> chrisq: check *priv*
<1> Kolan: forget msg'ing me, i have to register to do that
<0> ok
<2> suits are here, gotta run, thank you all
<1> Pedro: cya
<1> damn suits always in the way :)
<0> chrisq: I've tried to install the 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp kernel but it won't boot it up
<1> Kolan: on debian stable?
<0> jes
<3> so how difficult is it to get out of package dependency beaks if i were using sid?
<0> thats the latest kernel I found
<3> s/beaks/breaks
<1> Kolan: cant say i've had that problem
<1> but i dont use the em64 kernels
<4> tarzeau: how would you prefer the build log be generated? using script?
<0> which kernel did you use?
<5> Kolan, I've seen people having problems with that kernel before; stick with a non-64bit kernel
<1> Kolan: my xeons arent em64
<0> mm.. mine are
<0> so you say that I should use a 686 smp kernel instead?
<6> cramm: no no, debuild generates it
<1> well actually i have a few dell 2850 which might be em64, they work well with the i386 distro though
<0> yes they might do, but you dont use HT or 64bits
<4> tarzeau: ok, I'm installing the build deps right now
<5> Kolan, yes
<1> Kolan: HT isnt available for 64bit xeons with the x86 smp kernels?
<6> cramm: could you get the source package again, now?
<4> tarzeau: ok
<1> thats news to me
<6> cramm: what is important in the build log that you get SSL support: YES and Graphics drivers: has X in
<0> Not what I know
<5> chrisq, ht should work even if you don't use the 64bit kernels. can't see a reason it wouldn't.
<6> cramm: oh wait i just found something else
<1> Eulex: thats what i was thinking too
<6> cramm: can you edit debian/rules (and remove --without-ssl)
<6> cramm: i'm rebuilding it, takes some time
<0> chrisq & Eulex: Ok.. so lets say HT is working anyway. What about SMP and 64bits than?
<4> tarzeau: ok, np
<5> Kolan, smp should be ok. only thing you won't get is a 64-bit kernel.
<0> Eulex: So I should use the 686 SMP kernel than?
<5> Kolan, yes
<4> Kolan, chrisq: I'm running a sarge 2.6 686-smp kernel on a dual xeon em64t
<0> Eulex: Ok than. But what about the fact that Im using more than 4GB memory? 32bit is the limit
<0> cramm: How mutch of memory do you have?
<5> Kolan, oh, that may be a problem. I'm not familiar with it, though.
<0> ok
<7> Kolan: you should be able to turn on himem (not sure if stock debian kernels support it), but you'll be limited to 4GB a process
<4> Kolan, chrisq: each CPU is dual core (a HP DL380) when I have HT enabled on the BIOS, the kernel detects 8 logical CPUs. When I turn it off it detects 4 logical CPUs
<0> cramm: is this on Xenon EM64t?
<4> Kolan: 2 GB
<4> Kolan: ?
<5> \amethyst, vanilla debian kernels have highmem 4g turned on but not highmem 64g.
<5> Kolan, you need to recompile a 686 kernel to use more than 4gb memory.
<7> So you'll have to recompile your kernel to support >4G, but you can still do that with a 32-bit kernel
<0> ok
<0> seems hard
<0> ?
<5> it's not
<7> and, again, processes are still limited to a 4GB address space
<7> Kolan: not hard at all, you just change one option in the config and run make-kpkg
<0> hmm
<7> Kolan: it builds a new set of kernel .debs for you
<8> cramm: ht isnt dual core, its emulated
<5> Kolan, just remember to build your ide and fs drivers statically to avoid messing with initrds
<0> well today I'm just on 4GB so a regular 686 SMP kernel might be ok for now, but in a near future I'll get more and than I need to do something
<5> Kolan, file a bug report against the em64t-smp kernel if the 686 works.
<4> petemc: yes but I have 2 dual core CPUs, so they appear as 4 CPUs, if I activate HT they apear as 8 CPUs
<5> cramm, that's perfectly normal
<8> cramm: oh, right
<0> Eulex: Ok, I've tried em64t smp p4 kernel and it wont boot. so it might be some bug..
<4> Eulex: right
<0> is it possible to try a kernel within testing packages?
<4> I have been told that for a server it's better to turn off HT
<5> Kolan, I would recommend against it because of the udev mess
<0> ok
<9> how do you install perl modules ? via apt-get or something else ?
<10> I wanted to mount one of my NFS systems from my desktop computer on my laptop, but it won't work because the laptop is on a different network, NATted to my home network - is there an easy way to use NFS over NAT?
<11> EmleyMoor: tcp nfs
<0> Eulex: I've looking into this https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id230630
<10> faljse: OK - I will research that - thanks for the hint
<0> anyone with experience in that? running the AMD64 version of DEbian on dual xenon em64t
<7> w32: via apt-get if possible, the usual name for Foo::Bar is libfoo-bar-perl
<4> tarzeau: seems the tarball I got has --without-ssl already stripped
<4> I'm been thinking about installing the em64t-p4-smp but I don't know if it needs a 64 bit userland
<10> \amethyst: What's the thing you use to make a .deb of a perl module that isn't in already?
<6> cramm: ok then try to build it
<12> hey, i'm wondering which packages i need to get to supply gtk1 stuff
<0> cramm: that's what I tried, it installed correctly but when booting it up it hangs
<4> Kolan: I will try it when I get to the data center
<7> EmleyMoor: dh-make-perl
<4> tarzeau: k, the build deps installation is at 70%
<13> im having a big problem... something about dcop and ICE something... cant open konqurour
<10> Ah yes - I remember now - I knew I'd used it once
<6> cramm: great.
<6> cramm: have you ever used links2?
<9> \amethyst:thanks I'll try it
<0> cramm: okay, have you looked into this: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html
<0> cramm: the fact that the AMD64 version of debian is also suitible for em64t
<14> it should really be called x64
<14> but anyway
<4> tarzeau: I think so, isn't it the links fork that can render pages graphically using svga? I compiled from a tarball some years ago
<15> hello everyone. i just installed debian etch, works great. but i need to find install videodrivers for i810 i think. my monitor gets a lot of strange color before gdm starts. had the same problem with other distributions, and it disappered after installing the i810 drivers. how do i get them?
<14> i810 drivers?
<14> they're already in sarge
<6> cramm: yes and also fb and x
<14> err etch
<6> cramm: and now it can do https too (this version) for debian main
<14> well... sarge as well
<0> Shadowcat: do you have experience on running x64 ?
<4> Kolan: yes, I've read that... you may want to take a look to an updated version as suggested by the #debian-amd64 channel topic
<6> cramm: i use this as my main browser!
<14> Kolan: I know enough not to screw myself over
<4> tarzeau: nice :)
<16> Hi. I'm installing debian on a machine that's going to have a web server, mail server, database, astreiks Voip system, egroupware, coppermine and such things. Which directories should I give their own partitions. I'm thinking /var should be one , what other ones?
<17> Err, what package is import in for screen shots? I've tried apt-file, atp-cache, just cannot find it. hmm.
<0> Shadowcat: Ok, do you know if I would get more if I used x64 than the regular?
<14> pilgrim: start by buying another machine, or three
<5> foo, gimp, scrot, import?
<6> cramm: just tell me when you're ready... if the build log is fine, it can be uploaded
<16> Shad0wcat, lol...
<18> foo: imagemagick
<7> pilgrim: put the database on its own disk if possible
<17> _rene_: ah, thanks
<14> pilgrim: because there's NO WAY IN HELL one machine's gonna smoothly run all that
<7> pilgrim: if it's going to be high-traffic
<18> foo: and apt-file *would* have told you if you used it correctly
<16> It's not going to be high traffic.
<14> pilgrim: unless it's a test box
<16> Maybe we can wipe astreiks altogether.
<14> someone should be hanging you right now for even suggesting that many services on one server
<7> pilgrim: it's usually simpler not to partition
<16> LOL
<14> \amethyst: I think his entire strategy's flawed
<16> Shad0wcat, how so?
<17> _rene_: ah, I see it. I did the wrong thing. hmm, thanks
<14> because you don't put directory services on the same box as the mail server
<14> or the web server
<16> hmm...interesting. I was going to root jail them.
<7> Shadowcat: s/box/security domain/
<14> pilgrim: you _do_ know what good networking is?
<13> eh thanx anyway but i fixwed
<16> Shad0wcat, no clue.
<13> it
<14> pilgrim: that's not a surprise
<14> you're putting all the company's stuff on ONE server
<14> so, let's say I 0wn one of the services
<14> then I can own the server
<14> viola, you're screwed
<14> or.... if you have a psu failuer
<19> it's voila
<4> pilgrim: the mta spool dir (at least on Postfix) and the msg store (at least on Cyrus) are candidates to be on their own partitions an mounted with noatime and data=journal
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