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<0> i'm confused, at grub, what do i do
<1> pipeline> what can mean a error at programm debootstrap at 33% of install?
<2> loupg[a]roublond: You shouldn't be mixing sarge and sid.
<3> i LOVE debian!
<2> loupg[a]roublond: err, sarge and etch.
<3> There is no spoon :)
<1> and how i can correct it
<4> how can i unload a module at boot time? modprobe -r <module> ?
<5> ok, this is what works: language selection and hardware recognition. after that de cd is scanned.
<2> loupg[a]roublond: And there's no way that the isapnptools in sid is amd64-specific. That's moronic. Debian does not allow you to mix architectures that way.
<5> after the scanning, the load installer says it cannot find the kernel module
<2> UiTrix: Means you have a bad copy of the installer, I imagine.
<2> evaarties: And then what?
<6> hi my people
<7> pipeline, its not mixed, i downloaded a single deb file, and installed it with dpkg -i, also, for the last ****ing time, i am not touching the 64 bit version of isapnptools, i'm just trying to tell you thats all taht's there
<2> loupg[a]roublond: That's simply not true, though.
<1> pipeline> i try to install from Cd and later i try to install from network, from debian.nsu.ru mirror
<2> loupg[a]roublond: There is indeed an i386 copy of isapnptools
<8> loupg[a]roublond: You downloaded the single .deb file from the amd64 repositories instead of the i386 repositories?
<5> then I can continue and it says my ethernetcard cannot be found (it CAN be found using the stable release)
<2> loupg[a]roublond: And installing a package from sarge is indeed mixing sarge and etch. Don't do that.
<7> pipeline, yes, and it doesn't work with the 2.6.15 kernel
<1> pipeline> i don't think that I have bad installer
<2> evaarties: Ahah, there's your real problem. You have no ethernet found. The thing is, with the netinstall disc, you shouldn't actually need network access :\
<2> loupg[a]roublond: Then don't use the 2.6.15 kernel. It's not exactly news that the linux kernel breaks things.
<2> loupg[a]roublond: The kernel maintainers are, to put it bluntly, ****ing idiots.
<3> hmm unrar says a file in the rar is broken, then unexpected end of archive, then it quits, while on windows it works perfectly, WTF?!
<9> pipeline, but they are better than the last group
<7> pipeline, this is the kernel in etch right now
<10> robinl1: unrar e -kb *.rar .
<1> pipeline> what can be there in another way?
<2> loupg[a]roublond: That's the way it goes.
<5> pipeline: can you explain then why the stable release has no problem finding the kernel?
<3> -kb?
<8> robinl1: Possibly a version problem. I think unrar on Linux has trouble with .rars created with WinRAR 4.0
<10> robinl1: What do you have that is rared?
<2> evaarties: The "stable" release is "stable". As in, things are less likely to go wrong to begin with.
<10> robinl1: A movie?
<2> evaarties: I suggest you install stable and upgrade to etch, if you have your heart set on etch.
<3> StepMania, a complete package with all songs and stuff
<7> pipeline, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=isapnp&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all please tell me which version of isapnptools i should not be using?
<3> i really need it
<2> PerfDave: the public domain "unrar" doesn't support any of rar's more interesting features.
<10> robinl1: Are you dual booting?
<5> ah . that's an option.. what's the easiest way of doing that?
<3> unstable: Yup
<10> robinl1: Do you have it unrared on your windows partition?
<3> Yup
<3> but i can't find a way to EVER chmod all files in that
<10> robinl1: mount your windows partition and copy the files over
<3> since it says " too long argument list" -.-
<2> loupg[a]roublond: p.d.o is not the final authority on what packages are available. I have isapnptools on sid right now. There is indeed an isapnptools in sid. If there is not one in etch, it is usually safe to mix testing and unstable to some extent.
<3> yes, but then i have chown and chmod trouble, unsolo
<3> unstable*
<10> robinl1: you do'nt have to do that
<10> robinl1: Is your windows partition loade?
<10> loaded*
<10> mounted*
<3> unstable: yes, and only root can access it
<3> which is not what i want
<10> robinl1: So login as root, and type cp -r /windows/directory/to/your/porn /home/robin
<10> robinl1: then type "chown robin.robin /home/robin -R"
<2> loupg[a]roublond: A simple explanation of mixing testing and unstable without ****ing yourself in the *** http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
<3> hmm ok
<11> pipeline: Use package pinning?
<7> pipeline, http://ftp.debian.de/debian/pool/main/i/isapnptools/ show me the difference between the isapnptools package in sid and in sarge? there's been little change in that package for years
<7> pipeline, i also don't need package pinning for something so small, i've never had a problem with that before, and there should be little reason that i'll be "****ed up" b/c of it
<2> loupg[a]roublond: They're built against different versions of glibc. And glibc is, ah, fun.
<12> how stable is nfsv4?
<2> loupg[a]roublond: I, as a general rule, do not install old packages when I can avoid it.
<3> unstable: i already thought that up but i did a chown robin.robin /home/robin/apps/stepmania, and all sub-dirs of the sub-dirs were NOT chowned
<2> yalu: On linux? Not at all. On operating systems that handle NFS in a sane fashion? Very much so.
<3> unstable: and thats the problem
<12> that ****s
<7> pipeline, i'm gonna say it again, the package you have in sid is the same package in sarge, wether you do it through an "official" method, or you do it my way, its the same result
<11> robinl1: chown -R robin:robin /home/robin/ should do it
<3> deviazion: thankies
<7> pipeline, in effect, debian etch no longer supports my hardware out of box
<2> loupg[a]roublond: Heh, then someone else clearly thought it was a good idea. At any rate, I still trust apt's dependency resolution more than grabbing packages myself.
<12> pipeline: any idea if it's the server that is unstable, the client, or just both?
<13> Hello
<2> loupg[a]roublond: Heh, you mean, Linux 2.6.15 is ****ing you.
<13> For Desktop I must use STABLE or SID?
<2> yalu: I don't like or trust Linux NFS in general :P
<2> ShoNxX: If you have to ask, never sid.
<2> yalu: I know that NFSv4 is a joy under Solaris.
<12> I am not going to run solaris on this old pc :)
<14> is there no longer a debian package to install the microsoft core TTF fonts?
<7> pipeline, it may be ****ing me, but its part of the distro i've used for four years
<2> loupg[a]roublond: Install an older kernel. That, or get hardware from the modern era.
<3> wow that thing copies a long time XD
<2> loupg[a]roublond: I'm still using kernel 2.6.11 because I don't approve of changes made in 2.6.12. I don't whine about it because it's not in my hands, or the hands of the debian developers :\
<11> ShoNxX: Testing or stable for desktops unless you are a debian dev :)
<13> Ok :D
<2> ryan`: It's in non-free -- msttcorefonts
<11> ShoNxX: Mostly use testing...
<7> pipeline, i hope the next person you tell to get "more modern hardware" shoves his foot up your anus, that just rude, some of us are using linux to put older hardware to better use
<2> loupg[a]roublond: Yeah, well, the kernel maintainers don't feel that way :\
<2> loupg[a]roublond: I'm not exactly tickled pink about it myself, as you may have noticed.
<2> loupg[a]roublond: It annoys me when support for swaths of hardware bitrots because someone thinks it would be cool to do this or that to the kernel.
<14> pipeline: how do i get apt to include non-free sources?
<2> loupg[a]roublond: I'm eager for the day when Redhat and IBM get sick of Torvalds / Morton shenannigans and we all have to use vendor forks of the kernel.
<2> ryan`: add "non-free" to your sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, then run "apt-get update" to reload the package lists.
<7> pipeline, well then debian needs a better way of supporting that, possibly supporting multiple versions of kernels in the testing distrobution
<9> pipeline, with binary only modules?
<2> GyrosGeier: I don't give a flying **** so long as we stop seeing braindead changes made to the kernel willynilly, on the premise that "oh the distributors will sort it all out"
<14> pipeline, thanks
<15> there is a 2.4 and a 2.6 in etch
<9> pipeline, I do. I have a G4 with a VIA chipset
<16> I've got a problem with the apt, could any one help, it's regarding an xserver
<9> pipeline, guess who is going to support that?
<2> GyrosGeier: I know, I know, GNU FSF hippie zealots love to pretend that vendors are evil and will be the downfall of linux. Wake up and smell the coffee: All important linux development is done by people with @redhat.com, @ibm.com, @sgi.com addresses.
<2> abrotman: Oh, good point. :P
<3> mv: cannot overwrite directory `./Announcers'
<3> mv: cannot overwrite directory `./BGAnimations'
<3> mv: cannot overwrite directory `./Cache'
<3> any help?
<2> Zortoxon: Just ask your question. There's 600 people in here. Hopefully someone will answer.
<14> pipeline, it's apparently actualy in contrib
<9> pipeline, I have just spent the last half hour trying to get a RAID controller to work
<15> pipeline: i'm not sure the installer has a 2.4 on it though
<2> ryan`: Heh, go figure. "contrib" is also not in the default sources.list, though.
<9> pipeline, they support SuSE only
<2> abrotman: I wouldn't know. I don't fool with testing :P
<15> and for that matter .. it's a 2.4.27 .. not a .32
<14> pipeline: yeah, i just added both.
<15> !kernels
<17> kernels is, like, see kernel
<2> GyrosGeier: Debian won't disappear in a world with a kernel maintained by people who know what they're doing, you know.
<2> GyrosGeier: And there are vendors who support Debian. For example, HP has some limited Debian support.
<16> My debian tells me that the xersver-xfree86 isn't installed correct, and when I type apt-get upgrade, it comes with several errors. It's in danish so I'm no sure how they are spelled in english.
<14> heh.
<9> pipeline, sure, the 3rd in command there is a DD
<2> Zortoxon: That's a problem. I don't think we can help you with d anish error messages.
<14> I've gotten freaking Oracle to work on debian. Just cause it claims to only be supported on one distro doesn't mean it is.
<14> GyrosGeier, the raid controler come with a custom kernel module?
<2> ryan`: Heh, if you're paying for oracle, you're probably paying for support, too.
<9> pipeline, but binary only kernel modules are a real problem.
<2> GyrosGeier: And it's a problem that Torvalds et al. are uninterested in solving, anyway. As such, it's totally unrelated to the discussion at hand :P
<9> ryan`, yes, plus glue code you can compile to make it fit your kernel
<14> pipeline: it was actualy just the client libs.
<16> it's something about a dpkg-deb: underproces paste was killed by signal (pipe was borken)
<14> GyrosGeier: ick.
<3> mv: cannot move `Songs/' to `../Songs': Permission denied
<9> ryan`, but you still need to find out what compiler flags they used
<3> any help?
<2> robinl1: Looks like permission is denied. As in, you aren't allowed to write to ../Songs, *or* you're not allowed to delete ./Songs
<14> GyrosGeier, That is why I always try to buy stuff that is well supported in the vanilla kernel.
<18> heh
<9> pipeline, making it easier for vendors to provide binary only modules is certainly not going to solve it
<19> greetings.
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