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<0> robinl1: US? or where abouts are you?
<1> Netherlands
<2> shining: As a volunteer project with no backing, Debian is particularly vulnerable to being sued. RedHat and Ubuntu can afford lawyers :)
<3> sep: I know.. that was my first reaction
<4> PerfDave, the problem is on /etc/init.d/ ?
<4> ok
<1> !mplayer
<5> mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>
<1> hmm
<3> PerfDave: hmm yep
<1> sorry
<1> i wanted to know the bot's name XD
<2> chuckyp: It's not a good idea to suggest that a newbie go straight to testing. Things may have worked just fine for you, but chances are they'll run into trouble sooner or later, and it's better if they have more Debian or Linux experience when they do.
<1> nvz: i've been using ubuntu before, and before that - gentoo
<4> i can do find /etc/init.d -name '169' PerfDave ?
<4> no ?
<0> Ronin: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso
<3> why not -586 btw?
<0> Ronin: sorry :P
<0> robinl1: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso
<1> thanks XD
<2> yoo: No, that will find a file with that name. You probably want "grep -r 169 /etc/init.d"
<4> ok
<2> shining: Presumably there's not sufficient advantage in doing so
<4> thanks
<2> yoo: That 169.254 address is ringing a bell though, perhaps something to do with zeroconf...
<3> PerfDave: but is there any harm?
<6> this message stucked on the screen: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5247/problem4be.jpg .
<2> shining: More packages to test, more bugs to iron out, more work for the already overworked kernel team?
<4> ok
<7> smbp***wd asks for the old p***word? what is it?
<3> PerfDave: kernel team?
<2> shining: The maintainers of the (kernel|linux)-image packages
<6> this message stucked on the screen: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5247/problem4be.jpg .
<8> PerfDave: he was asking why not mplayer-586 ...
<3> !tell PerfDave about mplayer
<9> shining: there is a team of people .. not just one ... that maintains the packages for the debian kernel packages
<9> !mplayer faq
<5> The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html
<9> shining: ^^
<2> shining: Sorry, I thought you were asking about kernel images.
<10> tulioanjos, what is the problem?
<6> i cant get the shell
<1> nvz: whats the difference with the netinst cd (old, but Sarge) i have here and that new, bigger one?
<10> is this after an install?
<6> no
<6> after some updates with apt-get
<9> god damn it .. i thought he was still banned
<0> robinl1: I have no idea. either your old one is maybe a business card iso, and not a netinstall, or its just an older version
<10> tulioanjos, hmm... running stable?
<6> testing
<3> PerfDave: but well, it's maybe the same reason
<11> abrotman: ??
<1> nvz: i do not know its size either, so that netinst iso is the normal one?
<0> robinl1: business card iso is considerably smaller like 1/3rd the size and does not contain the base system. it must get online immediatly to fetch that
<9> ke6isf: tulioanjos .. the guy who was posting hacks/cracks/crap the other day :)
<11> abrotman: Ah, OK.
<1> nvz: and Debian on my DS? :
<1> :)
<11> abrotman: stats p=0. =(
<9> ke6isf: go figure
<0> robinl1: netinstall contains the base-system and doesnt require net connectivity untill you reboot into your new debian system and it runs base-config.. business card does not have base and must be connected in stage 1 to d/l and install base.
<0> robinl1: you cannot run Debian on a DS that is if you mean Nintendo DS
<2> shining: Yeah. TBH, I've heard people claim that mplayer-386 is actually faster than their CPU-"optimised" versions. Optimisation is a very difficult issue.
<3> PerfDave: ok
<6> how to get the shell ?
<2> shining: This is why Gentoo ****s ;)
<10> tulioanjos, have you tried to use a boot cd and chroot to it?
<6> vilemaxim: no
<2> tulioanjos: Have you tried booting in single-user mode?
<3> PerfDave: yep
<0> robinl1: its capable of running linux but debian has not been properly ported to that device.. its main architecture (ARM) is supported by debian but the system differs greatly in its I/O capabilities from a normal PC.. has no keyboard..etc
<10> tulioanjos, tht will tell you is the system is still intacked to some degree
<6> how to but in a single-user mode ?
<12> init 1
<2> tulioanjos: When you start up your computer, you should have a boot menu with a list of your installed kernels, right? Blue screen?
<6> PerfDave: yes
<0> robinl1: the only reported working linux project on the DS is a very slimmed down linux with a lightweight shell, has framebuffer support, and various apps lie an onscreeen keyboard
<0> robinl1: www.dslinux.org if I recall correctly
<13> tulioanjos: boot? init=/bin/sh
<2> tulioanjos: And one of those will be the kernel you normally boot, and the one after it will be exactly the same, but with "(single user mode)" at the end. Select that one.
<6> no
<1> hmm, ok
<6> 2.4.27-2-386 and 2.4.27-2-386 (recovery mode)
<0> robinl1: I dont think debian on embedded systems will ever really be a practical reality
<3> PerfDave: most gentoo users are sure their -march and -O2 optimizations will make things faster in every case
<2> tulioanjos: Then you have done something unusual with your Debian configuration, since that is how Debian configures kernels.
<1> nvz: i need help on how to install it, because i'm... from the netherlands XD
<14> tulioanjos: select recovery mode
<2> tulioanjos: Which version of Debian are you running?
<0> robinl1: heh *shurg*
<10> tulioanjos, I don;t mean to be a jerk, but why are you using testing?
<2> nvz: No, but Debian has prompted technology like ipkg which is useful for embedded systems ;)
<6> debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso
<12> nvz i think emdebian people are working hard and it should become a useful alternative in the foreseeable future
<0> PerfDave: interestin I didnt know they were already working on slimming down dpkg
<2> nvz: They're not, ipkg is a dpkg-a-like for embedded systems.
<0> quitte: hmm, I just cant imagine all that is debian on an embedded system
<6> ok
<15> nvz, ipkg work very nice on linksys wrt54g's atlest
<6> then debian blow up again?
<6> really nice
<12> nvz it will be.
<2> tulioanjos: No, you've done something to change your bootloader configuration. You have removed the single user mode boot option.
<6> PerfDave: i didnt
<6>
<2> tulioanjos: Oh well, the magic pixies must have done it then.
<2> Curse those pixies!
<9> !screw the magic pixies
<16> HEllo, I have an Intel 915GAV motherboard and i'm trying to install alsa to get my sound working, I've downloaded the kernel-source it need, untared it and put a link in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686 , But when i run ./configure in the Alsa-driver source, it says it needs a file called version.h in the source. How do i remedy it?
<11> no, no, no!
<9> dpkg: you're no fun
<6> the debian was instaalled only with this 2 options
<11> !**** the magic pixies
<2> tulioanjos: which two options?
<10> that is why rookies shouldn't use testing
<11> vilemaxim: what, the kline?
<15> !alsa one-liner
<5> well, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels
<2> nvz: IIRC it's used by OpenEmbedded, so you can rapidly build embedded system installs by installing a relevant kernel, ulibc and ipkg and then installing ssh servers or web servers or netfilter or whatever as desired.
<10> ke6isf, ?
<16> Sep thankx
<11> vilemaxim: <10> that is why rookies shouldn't use testing
<11> vilemaxim: ...or were you referring to something else? Note I haven't had my coffee yet...
<3> hmm, is it because the 113 port is stealth instead of only closed, that connecting to freenode takes a while?
<1> nvz: is debian better than ubuntu?
<11> (man, I picked a fine time to quit the stuff)
<0> PerfDave: thats cool I dont have any real knowledge in that area.. but embedded linux is definatly a field I would like to be in sometime in teh future
<17> PerfDave: recovery mode == single user mode
<10> ke6isf, I was refering to tulioanjos's problem
<3> robinl1: it depends on the user
<11> vilemaxim: Ah, OK.
<0> robinl1: by who's standards? you are not ever going to hear me say anything is better than debian I am a faithful debian user.
<2> nvz: I don't really have any experience with it, but it's an interesting field.
<0> robinl1: if you see me talking **** I am just kidding
<1> shining: i need a system with a fast packaging system, ease of use, but also modifyable in the advanced way.
<1> which is why i chose debian XD
<1> i foudn ubuntu was based too much on GNOME and it doesnt have many package
<1> s
<3> robinl1: there is kubuntu
<0> PerfDave: I'd just like it because you are working with linux, but on lesser complex machines that can be designed and programmed to fit the need of any consumer or marketplace
<1> shining: which is based too much on KDE XD
<18> robinl1: lack of *enough* packages.
<1> xoz_: Cha.
<3> robinl1: and ubuntu has many packages since it's based on debian's ones
<1> shining: I know
<19> !smite shining
<19> stop advertising ubuntu ^^
<1> i'm not doing that? XD
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