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<0> conformant*
<1> http://elekchron.org/index.php?page=comments&news=1 all the way down, when u click "Emoticons Legend". In FF, there the background doesnt cover the whole thing, anyone knw why?
<2> I have a table row with 7 data cells. All but one have a defined width. How can I make the last stretch as required? Without a width specified it seems to ***ume zero and stretch all cells evenly
<3> why can't you give it a width
<2> Because the content is dynamic.
<3> maybe try width 100% on it
<0> Elekchron: floating the content?
<2> I did, based on the fact that percentages should be calculated after. Unfortunately the div that holds this table is floating, so adding width: 100%; makes it span across the entire screen
<0> Elekchron: also id's can't start with '1'
<4> Do you use <img tags on your pages ... or do you just use css for that ?
<1> reisio: the images are floated
<0> `float contain @ Elekchron
<5> Elekchron, float contain: www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html , www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html , www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
<0> babo: use img if it's something to be scrutinized
<0> like a photograph you want people to look at for the sake of looking at it
<1> can it start with other numbers? or just 1
<0> has to start with an alpha
<3> no numbers
<0> don't ask me why, I think it's retarded
<1> okay
<6> reisio, I thought id-s can start with anything
<1> hehe
<6> reisio, at least browsers don't complain
<1> u can, but won't p*** teh validation
<6> Elekchron, oh noes!
<6> I laugh at the face of validation
<0> I forget if Firefox will give an error in XHTML for that
<1> hehe
<0> nope, doesn't
<0> that's too bad
<6> reisio, incidentally does the spec say it should start with alpha?
<7> reisio: help me
<0> suv4x4: yes
<0> didn't I just say that?
<0> nvictor: okay
<0> there
<7> reisio: I'll try to clearly state the problem
<6> oh
<1> how can i apply more than 1 cl*** to a tag again?
<6> btw two examples of big successful companies not caring for validation and using tables for layout:
<6> http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
<7> nvictor: you see I'm making a tabbed menu
<7> oops
<6> http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnwshp%3Fhl%3Den%26tab%3Dwn%26q%3D
<6> google news: 1293 errors
<6> that's some kind of a record
<1> php URL errors
<0> suv4x4: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2
<1> they didn't escape the htmlspecialchars
<6> Elekchron cl***="cl*** cl*** cl***"
<1> thx
<7> reisio: <li><a..><span>text</span></a><li> is a tab, each of the tags li, a and span has a background image
<7> the problem occuring (in IE only) is that
<6> reisio, indeed, thanks for the reference. It's odd this would only be helpful in IE's document.all DOM :) heh
<1> hmm i added the clear fix to it, and it still didnt fix it?
<7> I have set height 30px; and display: block; on each of them (a,li,span), but only a and li are accepting the rules in IE
<0> nvictor: link
<6> reisio, look down on colors: were those guys grown by a friggin integral scheme?
<6> reisio, "fuschia, lime, maroon" - no pink, brown..
<8> hello all
<0> suv4x4: heh
<0> suv4x4: there used to be more, but they axed them
<0> suv4x4: used to be the entire X11 color list more or less
<6> reisio, how dumb of them
<0> but that had its own problems
<0> 'lo marcin
<0> suv4x4: doesn't matter, in CSS3 we can define our own names
<6> reisio, browsers still support any color I can think of
<6> reisio, because browser makers are earth human beings, and w3c is from mars
<0> something like that, yeah
<0> they updated the validator, though
<0> so 'lightskyblue' is no longer valid
<7> http://www.surprises.tg/basic/tabmenu.html
<0> although as you said, I don't think anyone's removed support for it yet
<8> i've got a problem/question.. i ahve a page with some banner flash, and i want to use div style="position: absolute" to display a bigger image on the page, the problem is that when there is a flash element under that div it's always on top, but i want to have the image in div on the top.. is it possible to do that ?
<0> marcin: yes, but it gets very complex for nonWindows
<8> reisio: what do you mean ?
<6> reisio, when google news has more in the range of *only* 100-200 validator errors (vs 1293 now) I'll start to care what the validator's opinion of my code is
<8> reisio: i need to do that on all browser.. -> ie/ff/opera....
<8> well not all but at least these three :>
<0> marcin: I mean the plugin for Windows works differently than for other OSes
<8> oh
<8> hm
<0> suv4x4: what does Google's code have to do with the validator?
<8> reisio: so u're saying that it's impossible or i need to work harder to get this ?
<0> I _think_ you can do insane things like temporarily inserting an iframe or object element
<0> 1min I'll find the method for making it work under Windows
<6> reisio, my point is, big, large and successful sites like CNN and Google don't have DTD, use <font> and tables for layout, have zillion of validator errors, and this doesn't stop them from delivering well looking, profitable web pages. People overstimate the meaning of all this.
<8> reisio: thx
<0> suv4x4: no they don't
<0> Google would save a ****load of time and effort if they knew how to ****ing code :p
<6> reisio, they don't have to, since their site is making them a lot of money
<9> I think googles main concern was speed when they did their search page
<0> of course they don't have to
<0> but they'd save time, money, and effort if they did
<1> hmm i added the clear fix to it, and it still didnt fix it
<0> Elekchron: to what?
<6> Munter, I don't see "2k of table code for no reason" as a confirmation of that purpose
<0> marcin: http://www.communitymx.com/content/source/E5141/wmodetrans.htm
<1> cl***="submenu clearfix"
<0> marcin: like I said though, it's only going to work on Windows
<0> possibly Mac OS, dunno
<8> reisio: ok, i'm looking at it
<9> suv4x4: Well, i dont see 2k of table code, period
<6> Munter, i was talking about google news though
<0> nvictor: okay, rounded corners aren't working, eh?
<9> suv4x4: aha. I dont use it
<8> reisio: hmm, better this than nothing :/
<8> reisio: will think about that, well the next problem i have it's positiong an absolute layer..
<0> nvictor: oh wait, no there they are
<8> erm, div..
<8> the same div that is position: absolute, i want to be position on the center of the page horizontaly and, verticaly
<8> is it possible using only css in those 3 browsers?
<10> is there some Tide for CSS code?
<0> Seriema: Tide?
<3> marcin
<0> marcin: eh?
<3> why is it position absolute'd
<7> reisio: the problem is that I don't have IE to test it directly here, I'm under ubuntu linux, I have to check on another computer each time
<7> reisio: if you have IE, check it there, you ll see what I'm talking about
<8> hmm
<8> the problem is that this div is position absolute, cause it's on the top of all layers..
<8> well.. not layers, top of the page..
<8> it's a kind o "popup"
<0> `ie s4linux @ nvictor
<5> nvictor, ie s4linux: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/
<3> marcin
<8> where i normaly set the display to none, and when the user click on something i change the display to block
<3> so do
<3> does it have a set width?
<3> and set height
<3> ?
<8> yes it have, width and height...
<3> ok
<3> tell me the height/width
<8> it's different for every picture that is showed inside the div
<8> so it could be: 300x400 or 400x300
<8> it could be 100x500 or 500x100
<3> left: 50%; top: 50%; margin-left: -150; margin-top: -200;
<3> ok
<3> Use that
<3> margin left will always be "negative [half of width]"
<8> adn the page is very big..
<3> margin top will be negative half of height
<3> if you understand
<3> left: 50%; top: 50%; margin-left: -150; margin-top: -200;
<8> mh, as yeah fro now i understand
<3> ***uming width = 300 and height is 400
<8> erm, ok
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