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<0> pjesi: just a complete column/field
<0> Gho5t: no thats the whole table heading
<1> so search your script for a <th>Title</th> and add an id to it
<1> there is no magical cross-browser way to do it otherwise
<2> if the code is "margin: 0 auto;" is that top left?
<3> top left bottom right
<3> just like a comp***
<4> scifi: tr td:first-child, tr td:first-child{color:puke;} <<-- first column. tr td:first-child + td, tr th:first-child + th {color: puke;} <<-- second columns
<2> k thanx
<4> ]css margin > zeekstarr
<3> top right bottom left*
<3> listen to the comp*** not me
<3> Zoffix, degrees on a comp***. 0 is north, 90 east, 180 south, 270 west
<3> or clockwise, that's good too
<0> Zoffix: ty it works. hope the retard comment wasnt directed @ me ^^
<4> scifi: ___new retard at WORK__
<1> scifi: did you test it in ie 6
<4> Gho5t: it doesn't work in IE 6
<1> i hear some users still use that browser
<4> so **** them
<4> Stop slowing the progress down\
<1> yeah ok
<1> try making a good argument
<0> Zoffix: so i was the old retard? ^^
<1> a lot of the homeless people you see around town are old html programmers that failed to adapt
<1> do you want to be one of them
<4> The only reason why IE is so bad is because we keep supporting it... in the end it WORKS... when it WON'T _THEN_ MS will worry about fixing it
<4> Gho5t: IE is my bitch... don't tell me to adapt
<0> lol
<0> i thought IE 6 auto updates to 7 pretty much now anyway ?
<1> if you hate ie this much now imagine how much you'll hate it when it costs you your job
<4> hah
<4> scifi: since auto updates are annoying as hell, many people keep them off.
<4> Gho5t: I don't hate IE... I hate people who keep saying "aarrggg IE ****s.. why is it such a POS".. without realizing that it's because of THEM the people who are trying to support it
<1> well yeah
<1> a lot of things are like
<1> protesting by yourself doesn't work tho
<4> Huh?
<1> if say every web developer in the coutnry met up and decided to do it then yeah, i'd be in for sure
<0> Zoffix: if they knew of the alternatives they would rely on IE so much
<4> scifi: c'mon, most IE users think that IE _IS_ the Internet.
<4> There is absolutely NO reason for MS to improve it. It got the most of the market share, many many people use it. Of course that's why clients want support for it.. and that's why you have to make it work... dead loop :) we just have to live with that :)
<0> Zoffix: LMAO
<4> scifi: Windows firewall, reports a security warning when IE is not a default browser. Now tell me how many Windows users would continue using IE _just_ because of that warning? "ZOMG!! H4x0rz!!"
<0> Zoffix: ur preachign to the converted m8. just because MS think why bother changing something that works just because we have the market share, doesnt make it right
<5> whats wrong with IE7
<4> For most IE users, MS is the richest company -> Richest == Best == Good software. MS is God for them. How would they be the richest if they wouldn't be making the best software... ""Open Source?? Free?? C'mon, who on Earth will be making good software for free??"" <<-- my dad's exact words. Only if MS will tell IE users that IE is bad and they need to switch only THEN they will. You tell them? Who are you? You are an evil hacker and your browser is a
<4> virus... that's what they think.. if your page looks broken in FireFox --> FireFox is broken. If your page looks broken in IE -->> Your _PAGE_ is broken.
<6> amen
<4> Sardukar2: it uses a pretty much first browser engine ever created? Still! It's 2007, not 87,,
<4> man
<7> hi everybody, i have a ul with all li inline using float, how can i make the elements fill all the aviable space, to avoid blank spaces on the right side of the bar
<5> Zoffix, do you know anything about the "engine" of it
<5> I mean, how it actually works
<5> or are you just guessing
<4> ]]wiki trident @ Sardukar2
<8> Sardukar2, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_missile ( http://tinyurl.com/37ysre )
<4> ]]wiki trident browser engine @ Sardukar2
<8> Sardukar2, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(layout_engine) ( http://tinyurl.com/yr5bbp )
<4> ]z hl @ Sardukar2
<8> Sardukar2, All about IE hasLayout: http://zoffix.com/css/ie/haslayout.shtml
<0> Zoffix: so absolutely agree with MS thinking and its all users fault?
<5> The change from IV trident to V trident was as big a change as Gecko in FF 1 to 2
<4> scifi: not users. users use. WebDevs make IE work, why should MS make it work? We are doing their job
<5> Trident V is a *vast* improvement over Trident IV, it still has it's problems but so does Gecko
<1> good point actually
<5> So does Presto, so does NetFront
<4> Sardukar2: that engine is old as hell, and wasn't designed to support CSS, and instead of using a new engine for IE, MS simply hacked the old one and that's where hasLayout (90% of the bugs) comes from
<9> any more ideas on a two column layout (left column for menu, right for content) with a divider between the two that spans the hight of the page?
<5> much of the engine was rewritten
<0> Zoffix: basically ur saying users are too retarded to think beyond the microsoft buble?
<5> they're not retarded
<4> scifi: not neccessarilly "retarded".
<5> just ignorant
<4> exactly
<10> everyone is ignorant of something
<5> but you're forgetting that users don't care about web standards or their browser misinterpreting layout
<5> they care about snappiness of the application, easy of use
<4> Most of them use MS Outlook to check e-mail and IE to see the weather.. why would they care about anything else?
<0> Zoffix: which comes back to my point, if they KNEW of the alternatives they wouldnt be ignorant
<10> some people don't care about the tires on their cars
<5> and IE7 is easier to use and faster than Firefox
<5> scifi - how can they not know of alternatives?
<10> Sardukar2: that is opinion
<4> scifi: c'mon, why on Earth would they care that YOU spend twice as much time.
<10> Firefox is considerably easier to use for my family, because it is the same on three operating systems. They don't have to learn both browsers.
<10> Although I find the concept of "learning to use a browser" funny
<0> well on a positive note, FF market share IS growing rapidly
<5> the fact you said 3 operating systems
<4> scifi: the page works fine for them in IE, that's all that matter to them. Installing something new is hard for them, why would they bother... and don't forget about all the "hackers" and "spyware" and "viruses" lurking around,
<5> leads me to believe your family is not a good example of avg. user
<11> Does IE6 not understand right: on an absolutely positioned element?
<4> nerk: not if you have defined left:
<4> nerk: not top[left]/bottom[right] together
<11> nvm
<11> the element didnt have a width
<4> :/
<11> ie requires that for it to take on right position
<4> nerk: wrong
<4> ]z hl @ nerk
<8> nerk, All about IE hasLayout: http://zoffix.com/css/ie/haslayout.shtml
<11> k, thx
<11> looking
<4> nerk: also, I often notice that IE needs -1px instead of 0 for right: and bottom:
<4> nerk: so just use condcoms to p*** that to it.
<6> http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
<4> ]z cc @ nerk
<8> nerk, IE Conditional Comments: http://www.zoffix.com/css/ie/condcom.shtml
<11> not sure exactly what I am looking for
<0> is there a way of testing how IE6 will display a page without having it installed locally ?
<11> according to that.. position: absolute defines hasLayout to true
<4> nerk: hm, you are right.
<4> nerk: I still don't understand why IE needs width to stick it to the right, your code is probably invalid or something.. what DOCTYPE are you using?
<4> pjesi_: that page is what I based most of my tutorial on + other page + MS reference + my own knowledge, and it is also referenced in mine. I still think my tutorial is better.
<0> sure i saw a page somewhere that allows u to test ur pages on various browsers without having them installed
<11> xhtml strict
<11> 1.0
<6> Zoffix: I see
<4> well, not neceseraly better, just more concise.
<6> I haven't read either
<4> ]shots > scifi
<4> ]shots ie > scifi
<6> http://browsershots.org
<6> sorry, thought the bot was laging
<11> hrrm.. I will try a test case with various doctypes in a slimmed down example to see if I can make something without width absolute to the right of it's parent.
<0> Zoffix: a choice, thankyou ^^ :)
<4> nerk: got link?
<11> nay
<4> nerk: probably IE fails to shrink wrap that element.
<11> althought.. here is an interesting thought
<11> it's on a div
<11> could it be that ie goes.. well the div is 100% so it's already to the right
<0> will have to take my p***word protection off and do some testing with those sometime
<4> nerk: yeah, http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html#shrinkwrap
<4> ggrrr, IRC is a time waster :|
<11> Zoffix: yah.. child adjacent element needs a width for shrink-wrapping.. do you know of any tricks.. cuz I really hate to use a width here.
<11> I could ie conditional for the width I guess.. but still.. that means there is a width :)
<11> grrr
<7> hi there, i'm having a problem to make a menu auto fit the avaiable area :(
<12> http://www.rixth.org/node/2 how can I get the white of the content box to extend to the footer?
<7> here's my local URL http://189.130.124.99/****ens/
<13> hi, what is the shortcut to validate the html of a page with Mac Firefox ?
<7> i use a list to place the elemnts, and float to avoid the use of display:inline
<13> it's not for me so i'd rather a shortcut than an extension or something
<7> but i want the li elements use all the avaible space insteed of that ugly withe space on the right side
<7> bergamasque: http://validator.w3.org/
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