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<0> bummer.
<1> Chillax: Yeah, and it's only the browse page.... they rest look fine
<1> With the same header... and the same CSS sheet
<1> It makes no sense.... that code is in the header..
<2> heyas. Am I correct when I ***ume that IE does not support the direct-parent-sibling thingy " .foo > .bar "?
<0> `ie7 @ berkes
<3> berkes, ie7: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/overview/ (It's not IE version 7. READ.)
<2> Chillax: I know IE7,ive used it before. so is that a positive anwser?
<1> berkes: No, it does not
<4> ;support >
<5> frb: E > F { IE 6: N | IE 7: I | Firefox 1.5: Y | Opera 8.5: Y } http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css2selectors-child
<1> Well.. 6 doesn't
<1> I'd just use ID's
<6> what what!
<4> then you don't know what you're doing
<1> So.. no answers to the weird page issue?



<6> Chillax: does that mean I can get rid of box hacks??
<4> Seriema: box hacks are only needed for IE5 and earlier
<6> yes
<6> I know
<4> IE6 is fine in standards mode
<0> dean edwards > IE dev team
<6> so... does taht mean I can get rid of box hacks?
<4> `ie webdev @ frb
<3> frb, ie webdev: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038&displaylang=en
<6> will that IE7 thing remove the need for box hacks?
<4> Bigun: I can't say without a login
<0> what browsers do you cater to?
<6> IE5.5 and up
<0> sure
<6> !! WOW!
<6> I can't believe I haven't heard about that earlier! :O
<1> frb: Would you mind creating one?
<4> Bigun: I'd rather not
<1> frb: :(
<6> Chillax, why isn't that IE7 the defacto standard when someone asks for box hacks in here? =/
<7> Seriema|CSS: Because it's overkill for just that and usually 5.5 isn't an issue.
<7> 5.5 and 6.0 were both critical updates before the service packs
<7> to xp and even 9x
<0> what he said
<0> heh
<6> b0at, if someone's asking for box hacks, then they're trying to support 5.5 right?
<7> Seriema|CSS: No, normally they're using broken markup in IE6.
<6> then they should be pointed to the strict mode? =/
<7> That triggers quirks mode, and that's where it fails to use the right box model.
<7> They are.
<0> majority of people that ask a question in here dont !v first
<6> hehe
<6> hm odd I remember links to box hacks here =/
<7> `ie doctype # that was before this was clarified
<3> ie doctype: http://gutfeldt.ch/matthias/articles/doctypeswitch.html , http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnie60/html/cssenhancements.asp#cssenhancements_topic2 , http://webstandards.org/learn/templates/
<6> but how is that IE7 overkill? It lets one keep the CSS clean and saves tons of work
<7> Seriema|CSS: People will stick the whole thing in there and then bitch at us that it's slow when they only needed one part
<8> how is what IE7 overkill?
<8> oh
<8> the js :p
<7> And by the time we get to explaining that it can be broken up we don't care any more
<8> also: you don't need it, for anything :p
<0> b0at: the links on the webstandards.org page are bad
<7> Yeah, they changed them.
<8> not surprising - webstandards.org itself is bad
<7> Cool URIs indeed. Bastards.
<8> they're hypocrites
<8> run their code through a validator sometime
<0> heh
<8> s/a validator/the validators
<7> Their latest site is less navigable than ever at a glance
<8> oh they did an update
<6> bah if it slows down alot then it's not an option :(
<0> but if they make their own standards, and then make their own validator for their standards, i would hope they could validate themselves :P
<8> a_lot
<0> Seriema|CSS: it is broken into modules
<8> oh this layout



<6> someone should rip that plugin appart and just jank out the box part
<0> read the site
<6> oh it is Chillax?
<0> download the files
<0> knowledge is power.
<6> Chillax: so just the box part would be alright?
<6> hehe sure =)
<7> Not just the layout, but their new directory/page structure
<8> they've always been hypocrites with almost zero use
<0> today is boring as hell
<6> hm I've got a div cl***="Foo Bar", I set some stuff for Foo. Like a border on the top. But if I remove the border with Bar border-top: none;
<6> then the whole div gets several pixels taler :/
<6> *taller
<8> `collapsingmargins @ Seriema|CSS
<3> Seriema|CSS, collapsingmargins: www.complexspiral.com/publications/uncollapsing-margins/ , www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/box.html#collapsing-margins
<6> thx reisio
<6> gtg, have to go home. see you in an hour heh
<8> :p
<9> So ive got a problem with stupid ie
<10> dont we all
<9> http://www.mobilepunk.com/forum/ when you roll over the menu the whole forum comes up
<9> I dont think ive ever finished a project or design without having a problem with ie
<10> I actually got a #ieisstupid cl*** in my .css
<10> to fix a ie problem I had
<10> I beleive it was reisio that helped me with it
<10> as for your problem.. i'll take a look but im not that good with css
<8> mmm, because IE doesn't support any neat selectors
<9> Thanks.
<10> you have 2 </ul>'s
<9> what do you mean reisio?
<9> I dunno, do i?
<0> !v http://www.mobilepunk.com/forum/
<3> HTML: Not valid - Errors: 34, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.mobilepunk.com/forum/
<3> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.mobilepunk.com/forum/
<10> yea you do
<10> 2 </ul>'s in in the nav menu
<9> kay let me sort that out
<9> ah that was it
<9> thank you
<10> that fixed the problem?
<9> yeah, but do you know why ther menu isnt going 100%
<9> its the 1st time ive noticed this.
<9> should go to the end
<10> you dont got enough items in it?
<10> I dont see a navcontainer cl***
<10> make its width 100%
<10> #navcontainer { width=100%; }
<9> k
<9> I think i had it liek that but changed it cuase there was a problem with the padding
<9> the margins sorry
<10> try adding that
<9> have done its not worked
<10> I just realized what a very nice addon for firefox or IE would be.. editing css on the spot
<11> if I have an <a> withing a <li> and I want the whole of the <li> to change background when I :hover over the <a>, how would I do that?
<9> would it be possible
<9> give the a a hight and width
<9> same as the li
<11> JustMadMike: I can't, because the text inside is always different sizes
<10> #cl*** ul li a:hover {background:#08c;color:#fff;}
<9> so?
<10> that was to simmerz
<10> simmerz: #cl*** ul li a:hover {background:#08c;color:#fff;}
<9> if you have to give them different width youll have to give the links cl***es
<11> endra: but that will change the background of the <a> not the <li>
<11> JustMadMike: they are inline <li> tags, and they have different width depending on the text inside them
<10> simmerz: #cl*** ul li:hover {background:#08c;color:#fff;} maybe?
<10> simmerz: like this: www.maggiegrace.org ?
<9> Then give them enough top and bottom padding
<11> endra: all well and good, but it doesn't work in IE
<12> strange position: absolute; left and top instructions seem to be ignored
<8> #cl*** looks strange :p


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