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<0> they did the right thing
<0> in most cases
<1> yup
<2> you don't have to hide 'behavior' from other browsers
<2> only IE is going to do anything with it
<1> that's why I put IE7 in the league of cool browser :D (browsers than need no hacks)
<2> no bad hacks...possibly
<2> remains to be seen, imo
<1> reisio, you can try it..
<1> so far all my stuff works in IE7
<1> automagically
<1> I use _property hacks a lot
<2> ...
<2> you just said you don't need hacks :p
<1> reisio, I said IE7 doesn't need them
<2> what're they for then, lower?
<1> IE6/5
<2> I don't use proprietary code except for fun/experiments
<1> well it's not proprietary code, it's a bug :F
<1> you squash a bug with a bug
<2> _property?
<2> that's non standard at least
<2> I don't use non standard code except for fun/experiments, too
<1> if it was, it'd not be a hack would it?
<1> it's a valid identifier for a property
<2> depends on your definition
<1> browsers are supposed to ignore unknown attribs
<1> by spec
<2> mmm
<2> no point in putting _ before them, then
<1> the point is, so other browsers don't see it, only IE6/5
<2> other browsers won't see it if it's proprietary code anyways
<1> example: min-width:300px; (IE6 ignores this, IE7/FF/Opera pick it) _width:300px: (IE6 picks this, the rest ignore it)
<0> what do you use _width for?
<0> ah nevermind
<2> boink { width: 300px; } boink > boink { width: 27px; }
<1> IE6 has no support of min-width
<0> does ie support :not ?
<3> sanmarcos: No, it doesn't support :not(S). - http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css3pseudocl***es-not
<1> does ie7 support :first-child
<3> drizzle: It has some problems with :first-child. - http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css2pseudocl***es-firstchild
<4> what is :not(S) ?
<0> selects all elements that does not match something
<0> ie *:not(a)
<0> http://penguin.theopalgroup.com/cgi-bin/css3explainer/selectoracle.py robrechtj
<4> css3 i read now ... already supported by many browsers (eg ie7?
<0> haha
<0> good joke
<1> robrechtj, css3 isn't even done yet...
<1> robrechtj, random fragments supported by various browsers
<2> all popular browsers are getting into CSS3 these days...with the exception of IE
<1> robrechtj, including IE7
<2> which is still lost in CSS2.1
<1> in fact including IE5
<0> does anybody use IE5?
<1> 2%
<4> no joke intended: :not(a) is ccs3 right?
<1> robrechtj, yes
<4> so, is there any support for ccs3 already
<4> now
<2> robrechtj: yes, some
<4> ok
<1> robrechtj, :
<1> [05:01] <1> robrechtj, css3 isn't even done yet...
<1> [05:01] <1> robrechtj, random fragments supported by various browsers
<2> robrechtj: check Nanobot's site, http://webdevout.net/browser_support/
<5> !v http://70.81.253.46/blog/main
<5> doesn't work.. wasn't there a command like that?
<6> HTML: Unable to validate http://70.81.253.46/blog/main: Could not contact validator
<0> shame KHTML isnt there
<5> oh
<6> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://70.81.253.46/blog/main
<2> ;support :not
<3> reisio: :not(S) { IE 6: N | IE 7: N | Firefox 1.5: Y | Opera 9: N } http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css3pseudocl***es-not
<5> !v http://70.81.253.46:1450/blog/main
<6> HTML: Not valid - Errors: 2, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://70.81.253.46:1450/blog/main
<6> CSS: Not valid - Errors: 2, Warnings: 24, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://70.81.253.46:1450/blog/main
<0> hedos: validator.w3.org
<2> now I have to find a use for that...
<0> we dont care
<2> some of the new CSS is so high up I doubt I'll ever use it
<0> indeed
<0> some at least, -nth is nice, so is :not
<2> yeah nth I have immediate use for :p
<2> and web fonts :p
<2> and some of the cursor values
<2> and border images/multiple backgrounds
<0> border images
<0> that will be the ****, for drop shadows
<2> for lots of things, yeah :)
<1> what means this on for line-height support in IE: "Line boxes vertically shrink-wrap replaced inline elements; "
<7> drizzle: If, for example, you have an img on a line of text and try to set the line-height to something larger than that image, IE will instead use a line-height equal to the height of the img.
<1> Nanobot, I see.
<8> hello
<8> is there anyway to left-align block list elements without floating them left ?
<2> left is where things are in ltr docs by default
<9> Hey reisio :p
<8> mmm.. can't seem to figure this out man
<2> Daveman: hay horses :)
<8> so I want to apply a background to the element containing the list.. and i also want to apply a background to the list element
<2> Shak: neat
<8> hmm, i should rephrase that
<9> :)
<8> i want to apply a background to the <ul> not the <li>
<2> Shak: neat
<8> i have to float: left; list elements.. doing this results in the ul having no height
<8> thus not showing the background-image
<2> `float contain @ Shak
<6> Shak, float contain: www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html , www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html , www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
<8> guess i'll try playing around with clears :)
<2> ul { overflow: auto; } will probably suffice
<8> ... yup
<8> I would have never thought of using overflow
<8> too bad IE doesnt seem understand it
<8> seem to*
<2> oh
<2> then add...
<2> display: inline-block;
<8> height: 1% ?
<8> i'll try that
<8> seems to do the trick, now just have to remove the 2px margin on the list
<9> Minibot, inline-table is stupid :(
<7> ?
<9> Hey Nano
<8> inline-block didn't show up in DW as a css property
<10> It's not a property.
<10> `css display
<6> css display: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#propdef-display
<9> ;p
<2> Shak: DW is known as imperfect
<7> Dragon Warrior?
<8> dreamweaver ;)
<2> dreamweazer
<7> I know
<7> :P
<2> I know :P
<8> Damn, there is a 3px margin to the left of the UL that i can't seem to remove
<7> DWD is Darkwing Duck
<7> Shak: Common IE bug
<8> reminds me of that bug
<9> yes
<8> what was it called again, 3px jag ?
<7> http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/threepxtest.html
<9> Nanobot, I was just about to say that :D
<8> Strange, can't seem to remove it with the fix
<8> aha ! had to apply a -3px margin to the float on the left
<2> isn't the fix usually display: inline; ?
<2> no that was the double margin
<11> one day, when w3c has decided on the rules of CSS, and Microsoft stops trying to dominate by distraction, the only bug in CSS's will be typos
<2> :)
<11> hmm, has anyone seen a really good tutorial on CSS layout styles to use in place of html tables?
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