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<0> thus a DL is applicable
<1> vns: Syntax validity is only the first step. It's simple, and doesn't even mean the markup makes sense.
<2> funky: are you talking about on the first page?
<3> b0at, I know
<2> it's not really a "definition" list, in the logical sense, it's just basically a paragraph laid out in a certain way. so i stand by my use of the P tag
<2> the purpose of the span was to highlight a specific part of the paragraph
<3> b0at, that's what I was telling shiftless
<0> shiftless: yes
<2> my point in saying the thing validates was not to say that's only what counts
<4> drizzle: even worsts. It shows how Microsoft is even a bigger piece of ****
<0> shiftless: still looks like a DL to me... or, at least use <strong> instead of <span>
<3> shiftless, I see, I was just making a point, no offence
<5> sanmarcos, god don't say these words I'll die out of laughter.
<1> ok
<5> sanmarcos, did you check tourettesguy.com?
<2> funky: that's good idea, i may do that
<4> drizzle: why should I?
<5> sanmarcos, I posted the link a bit earlier, ok never mind.
<4> I remember is some dude that yells
<4> I seriously could not give a ****
<4> he has no peace. Probably should end it..
<3> shiftless, and another piece of advice, don't explicitly define a cl*** for each element
<3> for example if you want to style all <a> elements in a div with id menu simply do #menu a { }
<2> ok
<2> thanks
<2> i am redoing this stuff now while i'm talking to you guys and thinking about it
<6> hi
<6> is there a way to center a div without setting the width of the box?
<6> because, what happens if the width grows based on font size
<4> align="center"
<7> elux: make the width em based
<3> set proportional width
<6> em is based on what measurement
<0> roughly the size of a capital M
<0> `css em
<8> css em: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#em-width
<1> (height)
<6> got it
<6> thanks
<6> relative to the font size
<2> vns, what were you saying earlier about proportional fonts and the font being too big on some browsers?
<2> (on my page)
<3> dunno, I think the fonr is way too big if you ask me
<3> just use percentages or em-based sizes and your fonts will scale according to user settings
<2> im saying how do you fix that, because its fine here
<2> what does the menu font look like to you? because i have it set to .9em
<3> want a screenshot?
<2> no thanks, im on dialup. what font is your rendering in, arial?
<3> sans-serif - arial, serif - times new roman
<5> shiftless, how did you end on dial-up? I'd feel guilty chatting in IRC on dial-up
<2> drizzle: huh?
<5> shiftless, why do people use dial-up today? I'm just curious. What's your case, if you don't mind sharing.
<4> dial up is free in Argentina
<5> sanmarcos, phones are free too in Argentina?
<4> depends on your "connections" within the govt/companies
<4> but no, and there is no flat rate
<2> because where i live, there is no cable available, and there is no DSL available because Bellsouth is too cheap to buy a DSL line card for the DSLAM a couple hundred feet from my house
<4> greedy mutlinationals since they opened the market from one state controlled company
<4> service improved, but companies only care about money
<4> shiftless: that ****s.. and USA is supposed to be the first world
<2> not everyone lives in town, you know
<4> in Argentina there is cable/dsl even in Ushuaia
<5> shiftless, I see, so what are your costs to use dial-up?
<4> that is the southernmost city in the wolrd
<2> $17/month + $25/mo for phone line
<4> wow you actually pay for dial up?
<5> sanmarcos, US is slightly behind in that area.
<4> greed
<2> yes, but back when the american telephone lines were laid in the early 1900s, you were beating drums and using smoke signals, so america has just a little bit more money invested in infrastructure than you do
<5> shiftless, do you use it for extended periods of time? what if someone wants to call you etc.? or you use a cell phone
<2> drizzle: i have a cell phone and i leave the dialup connected 24/7
<5> shiftless, well that's pretty neat then.
<2> it's ok, just slow
<2> i have plenty of friends who have DSL and if i need to download an ISO or something i get them to do it for me
<9> i have 100mbit
<9> so i can't complain ^_^
<5> L0cKd0wN, country?
<9> US
<5> oh
<4> shiftless: still but there is no dsl in your area. that ****s. the US is way behind the other first wolrd countries in that area
<4> L0cKd0wN: how much, where?
<9> free, florida :P
<4> verizon?
<2> every piece of equipment needed for 8+ mbit dsl access is there, except for the DSL line card in the DSLAM
<2> it will eventually be installed, but we're just way down on the list because of the low population density
<4> shiftless: maybe bellsouth doesnt care because they wont profit enough?
<2> sanmarcos: exactly.
<4> rules of the market, heh
<5> shiftless, in 3-4 years we'll probably have municipal wireless around 'rural' areas too I guess. WiMax etc.
<5> shiftless, we = Earth.
<5> shiftless, not me personally:D
<5> max 10
<2> a friend and i considered renting out some space in a building near a local college dorm, getting some broadband there and some servers, and providing fast unfiltered internet access via wireless to the dorms
<2> the university's internet blocks p2p and other stuff
<5> shiftless, port blocking?
<2> i think they use a smart firewall of some kind
<2> packet sniffing
<5> or also domain blocking etc.
<5> ew
<2> yeah, it ****s
<4> they do the right thing
<2> so we figure people would be willing to pay a decent amount of $$$ per month for a fairly decent pipe
<5> shiftless, what if you hire a server for $100/mo do the university deal and setup the server as a proxy :D
<2> and we thought of even setting up some "public" (available to the wifi users) file servers and game servers as an additional service
<5> if enough people get into it the cost will even out
<2> drizzle: could you explain better what you mean
<2> do you mean give them a proxy they could connect to over the university network?
<5> shiftless, I mean using the university for connectivity, and use a remote server as a proxy so you byp*** their "smart filters"
<2> so as to byp*** the filtering?
<5> shiftless, yea
<2> they also block ports too i believe, so it would have to be on port 80 or something, and maybe encrypted to obfuscate the data
<5> shiftless, yea ssl
<2> the only thing with that is, it uses more bandwidth and is slow
<5> but if they discover it they'll easy block it
<2> they couldnt block the wifi, though ;)
<2> we figured we could set up the main feed a fairly liberal distance away from the dorms, and pipe the feed in via a directional antenna to a friend's room, who would act as a hub for everyone else to get on
<5> did you hear the IE7 RC1 is out
<2> nope
<0> does it Not-****(tm) yet?
<5> FunkyBob, pardon?
<0> IE7
<5> but please save me the anti-Microsoftism.
<2> i think he refers to IE's infamous poor CSS support, amongst other things
<3> lol
<5> shiftless, well that's been fixed from beta 1 on
<5> but mostly 2 on
<2> it's about time
<0> drizzle: well, that's contrary to what I've been hearing....
<0> if they HAVE fixed their CSS support... great!
<5> FunkyBob, you've been hearing what precisely.
<5> FunkyBob, just read the IEBlog, and download it to try it yourself
<0> drizzle: that they've fixed a few of the odd behaviors, but haven't majorly improved CSS2.1 support
<5> FunkyBob, now that's majorly underplaying it. They've added a lot of important CSS features, hover on all support, pseudo cl***es (also :hover on all), fixed positioning, CSS2 selectors etc.
<5> also they fixed over 30 odd behaviours
<5> personally all I could think of are fixed
<0> hover on all! yay!
<5> double float margin, peekaboo and so on and so on
<2> the margin error is fixed?
<5> shiftless, yea
<2> well thats good
<2> what about the width bug?
<10> drizzle, ie 7 still ain't as good as FF
<5> shiftless, which width bug?
<10> they even admit that
<2> where it includes the padding in the width
<5> virogenesis, define "good" because it amounts to more than CSS support.
<5> shiftless, that was fixed in IE6.
<10> does it drizzle?
<2> ahh, ok, didnt realize that
<10> i thought good meant actually working
<10> as in good support
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