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<0> and i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it is "hard"
<1> you volunteering to do it for me?
<0> uh... no
<1> i know ;)
<0> I am giving you some positive influence
<0> the idea is to "practice"
<2> Ah, I see that you've come back from your "encounter" with b0at...
<1> you're just rambling
<0> riczho: I see you are still ****ing at trying to do whatever it was you were doing the last time.
<0> I am not rambling I am merely giving encouraging words thank you.
<2> Positive. Hahaa!
<1> hey, at least he was trying to help
<2> I see that you're still ****ing at.. not getting kickbanned.
<1> well, can't reach that high
<0> riczho: onnce again you aren't helping yourself get help from me. Just like last time you were not.
<2> Nautilus: It's clear: both; on .statement_light, .statement_dark {
<1> riczho: ah, again, a good point. i forgot that was there
<2> Athfar: I've never been here to get help- I just give help.
<0> well then you should have taken no offense to any of my comments.
<0> toodles.
<1> riczho: thogh still, on the problem DESIGN page there's nothing to clear from, though I would like to use the statement cl*** in places that it doesn't force clearing.
<1> in fact, see it in use on the art page
<1> didn't clear there, wonder how the heck I did that, now (its getting late!)
<2> statement claas?
<2> **cl***
<1> yea
<2> As in, what do you mean by that?
<1> nevermind... /me has capped all that and will try more tomorrow
<2> OK, good luck!
<3> I'm not sure if this is a css problem or not ... I have a playlist that I can drop and drag using scriptaculous. I have several + signs that open up an id3 tag window (display: none; position: absolute) via ajax.
<4> !v http://mutant.neofusion.cl/admin/categorias/
<5> HTML: Not valid - Error: 1, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://mutant.neofusion.cl/admin/categorias/
<5> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://mutant.neofusion.cl/admin/categorias/
<4> what's this error mean ?
<3> The problem is the when I open the id3 div display:block; the id3 div isn't 'on top'
<4> "character "?" not allowed in prolog"
<4> what's that mean ?
<2> `css z-index @ the-erm # Not sure how you'll handle this, but this might be it.
<5> the-erm, css z-index: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#propdef-z-index
<3> duh I should have known.
<3> That was EXACTLY it. Thank you how so much.
<3> s/how/oh
<2> tranZ: Hey, did it just disappear?
<2> As in, did you get it?
<4> :\
<4> yes >.<
<4> wtf
<2> Nice.
<4> ??
<4> my index file is gone :X
<4> i had no backup
<2> Oh, that wasn't on purpose.
<2> Darn! I would have had a copy if I had gotten it in time.
<4> did you do something?
<2> No, of course not.
<4> OMGFG!!
<2> Do you have the editor window open?
<4> i just closed the file
<4> i just had closed the file
<4> i'm gonna kill myself :(
<2> Is there any other place where you might be able to get it?
<4> nope
<2> Some text editors make automatic backups.
<2> Or daily backups or anything?
<4> nothing
<4> ****ing windoze >>>>>>>>>>>>>>:
<2> Well, if it was just the HTML, you still have the CSS, right?
<6> umm, windows has a file copy function.
<4> it was only php
<2> Hopefully it's not too much to rewrite.
<6> yea, and that the re-write is the better for it (BTDT)
<4> i'm gonna spend the whole day rewriting the stuff tomorrow :(
<4> i dunno, maybe more, it was a little framework
<7> hi: would anyone take a look at http://www.speakeasy.org/~robo/dev/ -- What I'm tring to do is get the IFRAME to go 100% of the height of it's parent div -- but i can't get it. This leads me to believe I'm probably doing some really dumb CSS stuff
<2> Yay speakeasy!
<8> @
<9> (www.speakeasy...) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/36h3vk ) CSS: N/A ( http://tinyurl.com/244wpd ) DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Frame + url
<2> Don't use the frameset doctype.
<2> That's not for iframes.
<7> oh?
<7> hmm
<2> Or actually.. I wonder if I'm wrong..
<7> i think i have to use the frameset doctype
<7> and Yay speakeasy :-)
<2> `html iframe @ riczho
<5> riczho, html iframe: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html#edef-IFRAME
<8> no, the frameset doctype is for frames, not iframes
<7> really?
<2> Ah, OK.
<7> hmm, then which doctype do i use
<2> `doctype
<5> doctype: Take a gander at the fine document type definitions available here: http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html (HTML 4.01 Strict is recommended)
<7> strict dtd won't render
<2> Well, we generally don't recommend iframes either.
<2> Why are you using one?
<7> because this is the start of a big web application
<7> the iframe you see there will be a complex contact page that will layer on top of a layer on top of a layer, etc.
<7> and this will be all dhtml -- and i'm thinking iframes is my only option
<2> Well, if you're using javascript, you could do some cool Ajax-y thing.
<2> But why not just put that content in on the server side?
<10> robos, HTML 4.01 Strict is the recommendation (as you can see from RTFS
<10> robos, have you validated?
<10> robos, with the Strict doctype i mean?
<7> yeah, and it validated under strict (and firefox rendered in standards) when i had the iframes commented out
<7> if i uncommented the iframes FF rendered in quirks
<10> ahh, i know nothing of iframes, sorry
<10> good luck tho
<7> then i used the frameset doctype and it rendered in standards mode
<6> no, not frameset, thats something else (I _think_)
<7> riczho, if i using ajax for each page would add way too much complexity, imo
<7> because then i would have to build every page in javascript
<7> i'm open to any doctype suggestions :-)
<7> but strict-dtd renders in quirks mode with iframes
<11> Shouldn't <iframe> be with Frameset ?
<11> ]html elements
<9> html elements: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html
<2> iframes just make me cringe- the data can't be included on the server side?
<2> It doesn't mention XHTML, DOCTYPEs though.
<2> (Although there's the whole other discussion about that)
<12> anybody know a link to a collation of xhtml 1.1 and xhtml 1.0 strict?
<7> what do you mean by including the data on the server side?
<11> ;define collation
<13> Zoffix: collation: bite: a light informal meal ***embling in proper numerical or logical sequence careful examination and comparison to note points of disagreement
<11> spook^68: well serving XHTML 1.1 as text/html is FORBIDDEN
<11> ]xasx @ spook^68
<9> spook^68, Serve as application/xhtml+xml and then everything will choke on it. If you serve it as application/xhtml+xml (and fix the errors), then Firefox won't do incremental rendering, Google will ignore it, and Internet Explorer will ask the user if they want to save it or open it in some other application.
<11> ]know html @ spook^68
<11> ]know xhtml @ spook^68
<9> spook^68, Are you using XHTML? http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml
<2> That's a *bit* more lengthy, but it's a good read.
<12> tnx
<2> There's another friendly one- I'll post that in a second.
<11> spook^68: with current browser support you are better off sticking with HTML 4.01 Strict especially if you are supporting IE.
<2> spook^68: http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware_of_xhtml.php
<12> ok, thank you guys!
<2> #css regulars: Would you say that the XHTML vs. HTML debate is the most common argument here?
<2> Or perhaps semantic markup, id/cl*** naming, editors, etc?
<2> I remember back when the tables for layout debates were more frequent than the XHTML ones.
<11> riczho: I'd say that a lot .. A LOT of people using XHTML just because they are ignorant and think that it is better, so when the bot spits out "Doctype: XHTML" first thing you know is tell the person about XHTML :D
<11> I _would_ say that XHTML vs HTML is the most common :)
<8> first thing I do is ask them why...
<2> Yeah, same here.
<11> same here
<2> I mention XHTML once in a while- when I feel argumentative.
<12> answer: i dont know :D
<11> Because there are some reasons why the person might have to use XHTML (CMS, boss, etc)
<2> I always point out XHTML 1.1, though.
<11> Yeah, me too.
<2> The most annoying reason is "my web design teacher forced me"
<2> Curse those "teachers!"
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