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<0> ]xash @ robos
<1> robos, I suggest you stick to HTML 4.01. Since you're serving your XHTML as text/html, you can't be getting any client side benefit from using it.
<0> ]xasx @ robos
<1> robos, Serve as application/xhtml+xml and then everything will choke on it. If you serve it as application/xhtml+xml (and fix the errors), then Firefox won't do incremental rendering, Google will ignore it, and Internet Explorer will ask the user if they want to save it or open it in some other application.
<0> ]know xhtml @ robos
<1> robos, Are you using XHTML? READ THIS: http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml , http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware_of_xhtml.php
<2> xasx?
<3> XHTML sent as XHTML.
<4> Zoffix: okay, fully validated xhtml strict. css valid apart from use of opacity.
<0> xhtml as xhtml :)
<3> Zoffix: Oooh, I see you added the webdevout link :)
<0> nimurphy: I could care less
<0> riczho: yeah :)
<2> =)
<4> would you mind taking a look then? no?
<0> UUU, look! They've installed a new knob.
<4> you seem to be an obnoxious prick. i'd check that out if i were you
<5> lol
<0> nimurphy: check what out?
<0> nimurphy: don't judge people by their looks!
<3> Hehe.
<0> :)
<3> I actually missed the original question- what was it?
<0> I don't know :D
<3> Ah.
<4> certainly not. usually what comes out of their mouth is a good indication.
<4> anyway, if anyone here wouldn't actually mind helping me out (y'know, help... people do it for other people) i'd appreciate it.
<0> nimurphy: For the last half an hour only tobacco smoke was coming out of my mouth... I don't think you should judge me by that :)
<0> Lol, he still doesn't get it. HAhaa
<4> nice Zoffix.. a fine repertoire you have yourself there.
<5> okay, so html is preferred over xhtml
<0> robos: with current browser support. Yes, especially if you are supporting IE
<3> Yuck!
<5> thanks Zoffix.
<0> FIX HIS "PROBLEM" my creatures!
<0> riczho: yeah, I wish I quit, just by saying "Yuck!"
<3> Well, that's why you never start :)
<0> s/wish I/wish I could/;
<0> riczho: too bad I did 6 years ago :)
<6> where can i find step by stop tutorials?
<0> step by stop? :)
<0> ]schools @ Lastent
<1> Lastent, schools: Explore the intricacies of HTML and CSS here: www.blooberry.com/ , www.htmlhelp.com/ , http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ , www.brainjar.com/ , www.htmldog.com/ , http://css.maxdesign.com.au/
<3> Ah well, no use dwelling on the past.
<4> whatever you do though don't look for help of these pricks. the bitterness is strong here.
<3> I did :)
<0> nimurphy: what makes you think that we are pricks?
<4> apologies, i think you're a prick, and an obnoxious one at that. i can't say the same, or anything else, about anyone else
<0> nimurphy: how are we supposed to help you if not only we can't see your problem. We don't even know what it is.
<0> ]secret @ nimurphy
<1> nimurphy, secret: No URL = no help. We are not telepaths, and can't determine the problem (let alone the solution) without playing with the troublesome page. So, give URL, or leave the channel and call 1-900-PSYCHIC. Oh, and good luck. You'll need it.
<0> ;define obnoxious
<7> Zoffix: obnoxious: objectionable: causing disapproval or protest; "a vulgar and objectionable person"
<0> hah
<3> It's funny. "Obnoxious" seems to be more insulting than "stupid" nowadays.
<0> hahaha
<3> Yeah, doesn't make sense to me either.
<4> i explained it to you, gave pastebins and urls, at which stage you did your bot: whywedonthelp thing. even though it had nothing to do with my problem i valided the lot.
<0> Probably because the global stupidity level is higher than usual these days.
<0> nimurphy: oh, I am sorry. I forgot that I have to scroll up and find where you did that, and they urgently try to help you.
<4> and then you refuse obnoxiously to help. by the way obnoxious was always more insulting than stupid.
<2> the intelligence on the earth is always the same, the population is increasing
<3> Haha.
<0> hehe
<0> Yeah, nimurphy seems to be from the "NEW" generation :)
<3> nimurphy: How about we pretend that none of that happened and just start on a clean slate?
<0> heeh
<3> The insulting isn't going to get us anywhere, and besides, I missed the original question/chain of insults :)
<0> riczho: no! you HAVE to scroll up!
<4> you can do better than that zoffix. is this the generation that knows how to use sarcasm?
<3> Zoffix: As in, I wasn't logged on.
<0> riczho: well too bad now :) nothing we can't do. Train is gone :D
<3> Oh no.. not the insult-mongering.
<0> nimurphy: just tell us what your damn problem is and provide a link or else shut up and leave.
<4> look i'm going for a smoke. if you feel like it, look at dublinmessengers.org and figure out why the home page looks different to the cmwcxv page. inline works, external doesn't
<0> heh
<0> @http://dublinmessengers.org
<4> pastebin: http://paste.css-standards.org/4262
<1> (dublinmesseng...) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/2qlj84 ) CSS: E: 2 ( http://tinyurl.com/2cgo5l ) xml tags found before doctype DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Strict + url
<0> nimurphy: what's in the paste?
<3> nimurphy: Remove the xml prolog- it puts IE in quirks mode.
<0> nimurphy: BTW, prolog puts IE into quirks mode
<0> wwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeee, man, that's a heavy page 0.o
<3> nimurphy: Navigation should go in an unordered list.
<3> nimurphy: And consider using text with image replacement- better for screenreaders, search engine spiders, etc.
<4> ussing ff. css in pastebin. cmwcxv is what it should look like. when inline style used, relative positioning works relative to containing div. used externally, nothing works.
<0> holy crap
<4> yeah background is a little big but rest should load up in meantime#
<3> `ir @ nimurphy # Some image replacement techniques.
<8> nimurphy, ir: www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/
<0> page weights 2.3MB
<0> and nothing on it
<0> that's insane
<0> nimurphy: consider saving http://www.dublinmessengers.org/images/dublinback.png as JPEG
<4> not live yet, only up there to illustrate problem.
<0> nimurphy: so. Can you be more specific about your problem?
<0> guess not.
<4> sorry, was reading image replacement link. anyway i think its something to do with inheritence.
<0> try with !important
<0> ]css !important
<1> css !important: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules
<3> nimurphy: Just copied the inline CSS in: #links{position:relative; top: 45px; left: 45px;}
<4> inline rules obviously take precedence, but when i use an external sheet the css of the parent div seems to apply
<9> join #kubuntu
<3> nimurphy: That makes it consistent- (you never even refer to #links in your CSS).
<3> Zoffix: That may have been a typo.
<3> As in:
<3> Maybe he missed the /
<4> ****, yeah... it was there and this was still happening.
<0> eh :) didn't think of that.. oh well, won't die from a kick
<4> but yeah, literally copied it across and put in the id.
<3> I've actually done that before myself.
<5> hehe
<5> or you do
<5> /join #something
<5> space before the / or you forget the / -- i do that all the time
<0> ehehe, I'm in "elevated annoyance" state today :)
<0> Maybe I should finish off my beer :/
<3> nimurphy: So, did you add it and see if it worked?
<3> nimurphy: It worked as expected in EditCSS for me.
<10> Zoffix has raised the terror alert level to "Orange"
<5> lol
<0> ::}
<4> yeah, same prob. thing is, if i put in some ridiculous value, say left: 1400px, nothing happens. but if i were to do the same with inline content, it applies
<4> might be some whitespaces messing around. that's happened before
<0> nimurphy: your selectors are probably wrong. Try display: none; and see if the right element disappears.
<4> god damn. i really should stop using editplus. just copied everythign line by line to a new file. hey presto
<4> weird. but hey. anyway i need a smoke, thanks for the help.
<2> lol
<5> man, while you guys are being super helpful -- anyone want to take a look at http://speakeasy.org/~robo/dev/index.php and tell me if i'm doing anything retarded?
<3> !v http://speakeasy.org/~robo/dev/index.php
<8> HTML: Not valid - Errors: 8, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://speakeasy.org/~robo/dev/index.php
<8> CSS: Valid - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://speakeasy.org/~robo/dev/index.php
<3> robos: And you can kill the /> endings in HTML.
<5> we're getting css errors because of an iframe -- hold on i'll fix that really quick
<5> !v http://speakeasy.org/~robo/dev/index.php
<5> so in html I don't need to do <br /> ?
<3> Nope.
<5> awesome
<3> Although you usually don't need <br> in the first place.
<11> does IE7 support position: absolute;?
<7> yelly: It has some problems with absolute. (Always generates new stacking context, even when "z-index" is "auto"; Triggers "layout", causing some incorrect property behavior) - http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css2propsbasic-position
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