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<0> Curse those "teachers!"
<1> yeah
<2> Web design teachers, hah.
<0> The "best" ones start with XHTML, then say "OK, we'll be using [insert wysiwyg program] for the rest of the cl***!"
<1> man, I had one of those :) he was teaching to use PS and then use (DreamCrapper I think) to basically make areas of the PS image clickable and that's about it.. so freaking inaccessible and unscallable (sp?)
<1> Though, he was a pretty good graphics designer :) tought me a lot about p***ing the right thing to you target audience :)
<1> s/thing/message/;
<3> youd know better than me, as im not as much of a regular, but personally ive seen more semantic talk
<4> :)
<4> smile, that ya've been around to try and help me
<1> I'd rank it as: 1) XHTML vs HTML. 2) Semantic meaning of elements. 3) Proper naming of cl***es/IDs. 4) Perl vs. PHP :)
<3> haha on 4
<1> :D
<5> Perl vs PHP? pfft... they both fail (but PHP _really_ ****s :)
<0> How do you sleep!?!?
<1> I don't :)
<3> <5> A thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters... eventually one of them will write a great novel. The rest will just write perl.
<4> lol
<1> hjahaha
<5> :)
<4> that's like... "There are 10 kinds of people. Those that know binary and those that don't"
<1> Well, I haven't tried PHP just because I've heard so much bad stuff about it. And I am in love with Perl :)
<1> AND CSS of course :) CSS is amazing :)
<5> Zoffix: perl is a dangerous land, my friend
<1> :)
<1> FunkyBob: can you suggest an alternative?
<5> fickle... very fickle
<6> is there a website which tells you about the cross browser dependencies ?
<5> Python
<1> Ah
<4> schoo: too many to count
<1> Well, I've tried Python. Seems nice, I should study it in depth some time later.
<4> dependencies, let alone sites
<1> schnoodles: sure, http://webdevout.net or simply /msg Minibot ;support CSS_PROPERTY
<7> hey guys
<1> ;support :hover
<8> Zoffix: :hover { IE 6: I | IE 7: I | Firefox 2: Y | Opera 9: Y } http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css2pseudocl***es-hover
<4> though that wasn't too positivr, sorry. best for me to go to bed
<7> erm whats a good website with tutorials on how to css layouts? (not for me, for an aquaintance) :)
<4> nites
<1> ]schools @ zyc
<9> zyc, schools: Explore the intricacies of HTML and CSS here: www.blooberry.com/ , www.htmlhelp.com/ , http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ , www.brainjar.com/ , www.htmldog.com/ , http://css.maxdesign.com.au/
<1> Zycon: ^^^
<7> cheers
<0> `floattutorial @ Zycon # This is also useful.
<10> Zycon, floattutorial: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/ , http://phrogz.net/css/understandingfloats.html
<0> And you can /msg RTFS `layout 2 and `layout 3
<0> Those are more directed to specific layout techniques.
<0> So quiet...
<3> a farting girl of all things
<11> wtf, there are no girls on the interwebs
<11> and that goes double for the IRCs
<12> That's not entirely true.
<12> I know of 1
<12> The reason you don't see women might be just because they *know* they will get har***ed.
<5> the-erm: no.... really... even if it's not true... it's true
<13> aah the internet, where men are men, women are men, and children are the FBI
<13> 0_o
<12> lol
<5> heh
<3> <12> The reason you don't see women might be just because they *know* they will get har***ed. | <13> aah the internet, where men are men, women are men, and children are the FBI
<3> HAHAHAH
<14> :))))
<15> ROFL
<16> join #php
<11> hell no
<17> Hi everyone. I have a sidemenu in CSS using the height: 100%; attribute to make it travel the length of the screen. Only problem is, the sidemenu is displayed BEFORE the data and the page height increases. The menu size (and subsequent background color) then does not fill 100% of the page. How do I fix this?
<17> Am I making sense?
<18> Is there a way to darken an img without using opacity stuff? Maybe something that would work for all browsers?
<5> kevmif: it's floated?
<13> yes, furryballs, put some soot on your screen
<13> 0_o
<5> if so, then it won't flow the full height of the screen
<5> nothing to do with it being before the main content
<17> FunkyBob: not sure what you mean by that... still a n00b at CSS. Only just moving on from tables.
<17> Oh, the position attribute is absolute if that helps.
<5> url?
<18> kevmif: What're you trying to do?
<17> Sorry, no url. Developing locally thanks to ISP blocking port 80.
<17> furryballs: I have a sidemenu thats not going all the way down despite height being set to 100%.
<5> so publish it on port 8000 :)
<17> FunkyBob: Yeah, I should learn how to configure apache to do that huh! I'l put the relevant bit of code into pastebin, hang on.
<5> kevmif: change the Listen line in httpd.conf
<17> Last time I tried that it wouldn't start!
<18> sudo gedit /etc/apache2/ports.conf
<18> sudo apache2ctl restart
<18> That's the file right?
<5> not on any of my servers
<17> http://pastebin.com/864142
<17> I don't get why its not going right to the bottom of the page.
<17> Maybe because the sidemenu is created before the data is populated - so i tried putting <style>#navbar {height:100%;} </style> after my data, but that didn't help.
<18> Try adding height: 100% to body and html maybe? Idk.
<17> to body and html?? why?
<18> kevmif: Why not? Just a random thing to try. :3
<17> Any other suggestions?
<14> just a sec kevmif
<14> give body a position relative
<14> it might work
<14> if not add a 100% to body
<17> Sorry mate, still a bit of a n00b. Can you explain to me why that might work?
<17> A relative position stops it immediately after the text
<14> because any absolute positioned element is positioned with respect to a relative or absolute positioned element
<14> is some kind of registration
<14> and a height 100% works only for absolute positioning
<17> yes, my sidemenu has an absolute position. It also has a background color which is not going all the way down to the bottom of the page and its driving me a little bit nuts at the moment. I really wish I had of learned this stuff ages ago instead of sticking with tables for so long!
<14> kevmif, i tried a bit your code
<14> give body not relative but absolute positioning
<14> in FF works
<14> IE 6 too
<17> ok, how do I do that exactly? do I make a css entry #body{position:absolute};
<14> even Opera
<14> body{position:absolute};
<14> just this
<14> without the sharp
<14> and add a height:100%;
<17> ok, let me try.
<18> Is there a way to darken an img without using opacity stuff? Maybe something that would work for all browsers?
<17> hahaha - that killed the layout completely!
<14> :)
<14> wel. now at least your div has a 100% height
<17> :(
<14> if your saying your coming from tables you might get dissapointed with divs
<14> they do not behave as tables at all
<14> a simple 3 - layout column cannot be achieved with only 3 divs
<17> Yeah, i've noticed. but thats the way the industry wants to go for some retarded reasons so I may as well get over it and deal with it.
<17> All I want is for the navbar (and its background color) to extend the ENTIRE length of the page... Is that really so hard?
<14> even if the page has no content?
<17> its a navbar, its background color is part of the layout.
<14> the only thing that i know is what i told you above
<14> with that positioning
<14> otherwise, i really dont know
<17> 1 min, will get an example.
<17> http://kevmif.prophp.org/triathlon/index.php - ok, click on news.... see how the background on the navbar isn't going all the way down?
<14> ok, let mee take a look
<18> The padding is the problem maybe?
<18> Try commenting out all the padding that isn't 0px just for testing.
<14> i suggest something else
<17> the padding is just borders.
<14> put the navbar inside the content div
<14> and then play with positioning
<17> Ok, now we may be getting somewhere....
<14> let me make a few tests, i reached this result before but forgot how
<17> Is there anything else that may work?
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