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<0> so thers no such thing as opacity in w3c css?
<1> there is
<1> `css3 opacity @ NaeRey_
<2> NaeRey_, css3 opacity: http://w3.org/TR/css3-color/#opacity
<1> NaeRey_: the CSS validator defaults to a CSS2 "profile", however
<1> you can either tell it to use a css3-compatible profile, or just realize that 'opacity' is a standardized property regardless of whether that silly Java app knows it or not
<0> sill java app = css validator?
<1> yes
<3> :S I was just downloading .NET Framework from MS website, and download was going at 9KB/s but my meter was showing 800KB/s download and 1500KB/s upload, and it stopped showing that as soon as download completed :S damn I feel raped by MS now :|
<3> and .NET framework won't even install :\
<1> ... :/
<4> a question regarding the topic, how do you style a page with columns that spread to the bottom, the holy grail i mean
<4> with faux columns?
<0> spread = go till the end of page?
<4> yes
<0> mmm, set a min-height is what i've done..



<1> Amenthes: 'faux' means 'fake', you know...
<4> well, i mean if you have let's say 2 columns, i want their height corelated
<4> i know reisio
<1> Amenthes: pmob.co.uk has some templates
<1> `layout # here, too, probably
<2> layout: examples with proper markup and css: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssLayouts , http://glish.com/css/ , http://bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ , http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/
<1> Amenthes: so why not speak English :p
<4> because that's the term i found on numerous sites :)
<1> so you'd rather go with the flow than not be a choob
<4> :) i don't care, i simple want some divs that act as a table
<4> that's all
<4> and to be cross-browser
<0> setting a min-height for one of the columns works...
<4> not in IE6
<0> hm
<4> and that will not asure that a column with less content will have the same height as a column with more content
<5> Hello! :)
<5> http://www.mysystemx.com/fshop/about.php - can someone help me as to why the about border in IE6 is messing up... IE7 and all firefox versions are good.
<3> man, that's a heavy divitis
<3> soalf: I can bet $100 it's a hasLayout issue on one of those thousands of divs
<3> ]z hl @ soalf
<6> soalf, All about IE hasLayout: http://zoffix.com/css/ie/haslayout.shtml
<5> ok thx Zoffix
<5> thanks
<5> :P
<3> =]
<3> I prefer *** though >:)
<5> lol
<7> Zoffix, are you using some kind of CMS for that website?
<3> Znuff: which website?
<7> zoffix
<3> no
<3> I use SSI though for the menu and stuff in the <head>
<7> ouch
<3> :/
<3> the "Quick Note" and "Post comment" scripts I coded myself.
<7> what would life be without a CMS
<3> heh
<3> Perfect code?
<7> :-)
<3> Never used one and I'm pretty happy, so far I only see CMSs that generate dumb *** broken, table based code. Why would I need that?
<8> i know two that don't
<9> if everything on my page uses % for units of width, how is it that when i'm not maximized, all of the elements are wrapping into each other?
<3> I would understand using it for large sites. But mine isn't large.
<1> preaction: do tell
<8> one's not ready for prime-time (my personal project), and one i'm hired to work on (WebGUI)
<1> webgui?
<1> plainblack.com ?
<3> EricBlade: do you know that padding/borders are _added_ to width/height?
<7> Zoffix, I'm using modx, you can pretty much do whatever you want with it
<8> i mean, i have some major stuff to teach our designers (who insist on using tables in client work), but you can write all your own code for every part of the page
<1> plainblack.com/webgui has ****ty table layout
<7> unless you use snippets (php bits) coded by someone else who didn't know what he was doing :)
<3> Znuff: aye, I heard it's good. Though I don't need any CMSs at the moment.
<1> preaction: you can do that with ****ty CMSes, too, often
<8> reisio: yes, our designers **** in that regard
<1> s/with/with other
<1> it's just a matter of spending hours upon hours gutting the default markup
<7> preaction, I'd fire designers who insist on using tables for layouts
<8> on my to-do list is a style template / set of core templates that use good web practices
<8> but i'm too busy doing Perl dev



<1> preaction: perl dev for what?
<8> webgui
<1> ah
<10> Hello!
<3> http://www.zoffix.com/new/drcs/ any ideas how I could do those "fades" on the menu without using those huge *** images ( http://www.zoffix.com/new/drcs/pics/nav_home.jpg )? something with opacity maybe?
<7> preaction, do you work for that webgui thingie? it's hell ugly
<10> How do I make <div> not to open a new line?
<7> display: inline
<8> Znuff: I'm a perl dev, the previous plainblack.com sites looked a lot better, and they don't give me enough time to make designs
<7> Zoffix, I think you'd want gradient from css3 :-)
<3> The site has to work in IE6, IE7 and FF
<8> if i shoot him, then i have to do it, and i don't have Time... :(
<11> hey folks z-index:5000;
<11> does that put my div above everything else?
<3> arooni: as long as it is positioned
<7> go for 99999999999999999999
<3> arooni: and you don't have any index above taht
<11> position is absolute
<3> s/taht/that/;
<11> why does it have to be positioned?
<8> arooni: it depends... some places it doesn't work right in IE (<table> for example)
<11> ah
<3> corrideat: either floats or display: inline, display inline won't be good in some cases as can be seen here -->> http://www.zoffix.com/new/del/inline.html both spans have the SAME styles, the only difference is the first one is display: block; as you can see the differences are dramatic
<7> Zoffix, http://home.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/scalable-gradient.html <- gradient for IE
<3> Znuff: I don't see how that can be useful in my case :/
<7> Zoffix, apply filter for ie?
<7> and I'm not sure if ff does gradient yet
<3> Znuff: what about FF? and can I set that to be on that angle?
<7> not sure
<3> +the CSS _HAVE_ to validate
<7> looking now :)
<3> and I don't think it will with CSS3 things
<0> hmmmmm
<7> then probably you're stuck with images
<3> s/have/HAS/i/;
<3> s#/;#;#;
<0> firefox uses min-height as 'min height' but real height can be bigger... IE doesnt recognize it, but instead thinks that height is the 'min height' and real height can be bigger...
<7> NaeRey_, use ie7 script by dean edwards
<5> http://www.mysystemx.com/fshop/about.php is this now looking good in IE6, IE7, and firefox guys?
<0> soalf: yes the background looks rally nice...
<3> NaeRey_: yeah, just p*** {height: your_min_height_value;} for IE version less 7 in the condcoms
<3> ]z cc @ NaeRey_
<6> NaeRey_, IE Conditional Comments: http://www.zoffix.com/css/ie/condcom.shtml
<0> why does everyone use that text?
<3> What text?
<8> tradition
<0> latin
<8> lorem ipsum
<3> oh Lore,
<7> NaeRey_, google for lorem ipsum
<3> ]]lorem ipsum @ NaeRey_
<6> NaeRey_, http://www.lipsum.com/ ( http://tinyurl.com/yo6f7r )
<0> # Lorem ipsum (lipsum for short) is the standard placeholder text used since the 1500s in the publishing and graphic design industry
<3> yup
<5> also known as filler text :P
<5> my clients always ask me... is that french?
<0> fish text
<0> can i use <!--[if gte IE 6]> in css?
<3> NaeRey_: NO!
<0> gah
<3> NaeRey_: only where you can use regular HTML comments
<3> ]z cc @ NaeRey_
<6> NaeRey_, IE Conditional Comments: http://www.zoffix.com/css/ie/condcom.shtml
<3> and why in the world would you want to use them in your CSS :S
<0> cause i want two columsn!
<3> So!?
<3> that is so freakin' irrelevant
<0> so, if i set min-height, in firefox works all right
<3> :S
<0> but in IE it has an L shape
<3> What does it have to do with setting condcoms in CSS? :S
<0> if i set height, in IE works fine, but firefox has everything put one over the other


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